Lianne Smith found guilty, what does MN think?

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Personally, I think she was probably in an abusive relationship but as a mother our responsibility is to protect our children. I felt very differently until I read that the child her partner was found guilty of abusing was her older child from a previous relationship. surely as parents we should always side with our children and protect them?

It seems a very sad case I know domestic abuse is not so clear cut and unfortunately women remain with abusers daily but I do think her guilty verdict was the right one to provide justice for her children. She put her own needs before theirs, so terribly sad.

Apologies if there is another thread on this I could't find it on a search.

think it's a truly weird one.....and the children turning out not to be fathered by her partner.

From what i've just read she was a sex worker at times so they consider that may be the reason for the paternity. By the sounds of things her DP was either her pimp or her minder. Call me naive but wouldn't sex workers use condoms if they are in a relationship too?

Well I guess condoms fail.. And men pay more to go without I have heard. Sickening all the same

I feel the sentence is fair

It is only the DM that is taking up the sugestion that she was a prostitute and that isn't proven.

I will be more interested to know why the information was not passed to child protection services in Spain, to protect the children.

I think that this story is a tragedy for everyone involved. One ore more children abused, two dead, a man committing suicide and a woman facing life in prison. Like so many other horrendous crimes the chain of events that led to this one will have started decades earlier. In such cases 'blame' is superfluous. Everyone involved has paid or is paying a terrible price.

It isn't about blame, but making sure that this does not happen again.

At least four days had passed after SS in the UK becoming aware that there were two children at risk, action should have been taken.

The information should have been passed on and the children removed at the same time as his arrest and really hers, as she could have been guilty of perverting the course of justice, aiding and abetting a crime and harbouring a criminal etc.

I don't really see why she is getting sympathy on here. No man would be accorded an iota.

I don't see sympathy. I just see a whole family either dead, damaged or in prison and I don't know why we'd want to keep chewing over their backgrounds or (bizarrely) stating the bloody obvious that murdering children makes someone a bad mother...

she's a murderer. What else is there to say? the victims here were the innocent children she murdered.

Lots of criminals have unfortunate backgrounds, history of abuse etc either throughout their childhoods or beyond and as a rule we don't sympathise with them. but as soon as it's a mother murdering her children we must apparently feel sympathy for her because of all that she went through. I don't think so.

What do I think? That a jury found her guilty of murderer so she is a convicted murderer who has confessed to her crime more than once.

She killed her kids because she couldn't bear the thought of losing them to people who would actually take care of them and keep her safe. She is a selfish waste of oxygen.

I dont have any sympathy for her, abusive relationship or not:

1. She didnt protect or believe her child had been abused, and still doesnt believe.
2. She killed her 2 children
3. She feels no remorse

She probably was in an abusive relationship and probably has mental health issues but the people I feel sorry for are her 2 children she killed and the one she did not believe had been abused.

Just hope the surviving child is being well looked after. How horrific.

She is married with a baby herself, I think - remember reading her story a while back when she waived her anonymity. Seems to have her head screwed on and came across and remarkably balanced.

Aas

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Her surviving daughter: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1365479/Lianne-Smith-callously-ignored-years-sex-abuse-TV-hypnotist-lover.html

She happily allowed for her elder daughter to be raped for years, as long as she had 'her' man, she didn't care for the effect on her own child. Then she murders her children because she didn't want anyone else to have them. Selfish, evil woman who never thought of or cared for anyone except herself.

She's not mentally ill, just evil.

I think she is a pyschopath.

She doesn't seem to be remotely bothered that her children are dead, let alone that she murdered them.

In a number of articles she is said to have worked as a child protection expert for Cumbria Council

**?The thing I hold on to is that if I hadn?t gone to the police my stepfather could have attacked Becky for as long as he attacked me,? she says tearfully.

?I could have had an 18-year-old on my doorstep asking: ?You knew ? why didn?t you do anything??** Surely that's better than her being dead?

I guess she's trying to find comfort, something to hold on to. Must be deeply upsetting for her & if that thought gives her some way of dealing with it who are we to judge?

But is that not what the Mother did in her mind? She killed the kids because she told herself they would be better off.

op youve failed to address she didnt support her adult daughter he raped
he was the stepfather who raped her daughter from 1st marriage
abhorrent case on so many levels

I wouldn't be surprised if she killed her children to 'protect' Martin Smith because she was concerned that it might get out that he had abused them too. I think if they had been abused also she would not have been able to face up to that and wanted to deny it in the same way she denied the older daughters abuse.
She is a massively deluded individual.
I do find her psychology quite intriguing but that is not to condone or excuse in any way her actions, which are despicable.