Universal credit - Child element details

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I just had a look at this; ssac.independent.gov.uk/pdf/uc-draft-regs-2012-memorandum.pdf

If you scroll down to page 9, point 45 it says;

"The child element comprises of two rates; one rate for the first/only child and then a reduced rate for second and subsequent children.".

So it looks like what is currently child tax credits will no longer be paid at the same rate for each child and will instead (within universal credit) be paid in the same way that child benefit is now paid. I wonder what the rate will actually be for first children and then for subsequent children?

I'm getting worried, I find myself agreeing with Xenia again!

I have recently learned that someone I know, after her divorce, chose to reduce her working hours and work in a job that did not relate to her professional qualifications, this made her total monthly takehome pay less than £1k per month. She then gets around £1k per month in child support from ex-partners, around £1k per month in tax credits and another £500 in child benefit and other allowances.

I am absolutely in favour of benefits for people who really need them and am in awe of how some people on mumsnet manage in circumstances that I couldn't face but do not understand how a single mother who chooses not to work and utilise qualifications in which the state has funded her can rake in almost £3.5k each month. There are many working families on much less and this system needs reform to get that money to those who need it rather than those who just choose not to work.

i would be very suprised if your friend is recieving this much

her pay is roughly £240 -250 a week to start,i cant see that she will get huge tax credits and child benefit,your saying she gets £1500 in tc and cb alone i really dont see that unless she has ten children

so without maintanance shes clearing £2500 i dont believe that

x post with overtheroftops

maintanance dosent really matter as its not taken into account for tc

id be intrested in a breakdown on these figures,because this these type of figures banded about make people think thats what people get,dont believe a word,no wonder theres so much benefit bashing if people report figures like this,

Did you see the bit about care leavers aged 16 and 17 having NO entitlement to Universal Credit?

Or the bit in the same paragraph where 16 & 17 yo Care Leavers that have dependant DC or are disabled being entitled to UC but being unable to claim the housing element?

Good bits? There is one - the maximum paid amount for childcare is rising from £210 a week to £273 a week. That IS helpful.

I am the only available calculator, basing my calculations on the UC policy briefing notes, but am currently unable to do personal calculations due to personal awful neighbour dispute involving police problems. I will try to dig out my formula and do a calc for you towards the end of next week if you want.

They will not be publishing an online Calculator until next April, when it becomes current policy.

I can understand a single mum remaining on part-time hours after a divorce. Family break-ups can affect children quite severely you know Fiftyshits bloody obvious to most with one brain cell functioning

People I know in this situation have made the responsible parenting decision postdivorce, to focus on their children more and ensure they are there in order to reassure their children and help them adjust to the new family circumstances One mum I know had to take time off work repeatedly because her DD became ill - nothing was diagnosed and after about 18 mths it stopped - friend thinks it might have been reaction to family split, as the paedetrician had suggested.

Children are not just mini adults at 13, they often need more input then than when they were younger.

I don't resent paying taxes to help support parents who are acting responsibly and ensuring as much as they can that their children are well looked after.

They will also pay childcare costs for a month prior to you starting a job, provided you have been offered it, which takes care of the month's deposit most Nurseries insist on now.

• Fiftyshits=Fiftyvipers

Conditionality is to be 'eased' for 6 months following the bereavement of a partner or child.

Bad points: you can't get elements for being disabled yourself AND caring for someone disabled.

So computer will STILL say no when faced with me, a disabled Lone Parent who has 2 out of 4 DC's that are disabled.

I could claim for both the DC's that have disabilities, but then I would be classed as not disabled.

WHY have they still not fixed this? They don't live in the real world.

Oh, and while I could claim for more than one DC with disabilities, if both people in a couple are disabled, then they can't BOTH claim in respect of their disabilities. Surely that is in breach of the equality act? It is saying that if two people with disabilities are in a relationship, they won't BOTH be financially supported, yet they WOULD be if they were both claiming as single people with disabilities.

Eugenics much? Oh, you can be disabled, but you had better not be in a relationship with another person with disabilities, or we will take away half of your financial support, decide between you which one is disabled and which one isn't, and the other can go and work FT, there's a Love, you're not disabled any more, remember...

Wow Couthy - how humane, a whole 6 months to recover from your child's death during which conditionality is 'eased'. They are all heart aren't they?

Who the fuck do these people think they are that they can dictate to others to such an extent? This is our bloddy money NOT theirs. WE have paid our taxes in to a collective pot so that it is there for when we fall on hard times. God it makes my blood boil. I would really rather stop paying taxes altogether and get private insurance instead of state benefits, rather than accept this potential degree of control over MY life.

Xenia you know you haven't got the monopoly on working hard. Many of us do - damn hard. Get over it and stop using it as an excuse to justify bullying vulnerable people.

PIP will take over DLA

ESA has taken over the old incapacity benefit

FUCK

It looks VERY like they are taking away the right to appeal against a WCA!

A WCA (Work Capability Assessment) is the much-maligned 'test' of fitness for work that is administered by ATOS. And between 45% and 70% (depending on whether they have professional advice which legal aid no longer covers ) of people who fail their assessment first time have their disability benefits reinstated on appeal.

This means that between 45% and 70% of people who have GENUINE disabilities will no longer have the right to appeal after failing a WCA.

I'll post the relevant passage in a second, can't link as am on phone.

im sure PICKGO can fill you in more as i think she is more qualified on disability matters

thekidsrule sorry don't know much about disability matters

bugger i meant COUTHMOW sorry,lol

120. Where a WCA determination finds that someone is fit for work, a fresh WCA determination can only be made :

• Where a new condition develops;
• Where a condition has worsened;
• Where it is shown that the WCA determination was based on ignorance of, or mistake to, relevant information.

CUNTYCUNTYMcCUNTCHOPS

That is all. I can't think of anything but profanities to cover this particular gem.

No right to appeal against a WCA that is administered by a Company that have been repeatedly shown to not be fit for purpose. And deliberate disability deniers (sp? Can't be right, denying something has nothing to do with tights!)

No fucking right to appeal against a test that tests fitness for work in someone with uncontrolled epilepsy by making them raise their arms over their head, bend down to pick up a pencil, and declares them fit for FT work, against the advice of one of the top Neurologists in the Country, who has stated that this person is AT BEST fit for a maximum of 16 hours a week SOME weeks.

And that was genuinely what happened to me. And my case is not the worst. There was the poor unfortunate man who was passed as fit for FT work, then had a heart attack and died on his way out of the ATOS building...

Overthreooftops - are you talking about WTC or CTC?

i really wonder where all these " changes" are gonna end

frightening times ahead for many

i still cant believe more of a fuss hasnt been caused,mind from what i havent seen in the media i dont think people realise whats coming in