The police seem to be unwilling to investigate allegations of rape. Why?

[Solopower]

It seems that the police are still not taking rape seriously as a crime. Either they don't believe the victim, or they just think it would be too difficult to prove - but why are they letting (mainly) women down like this?
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/08/metropolitan-police-rape-victims-detective-arrested?newsfeed=true

You know nothing until the investigation by the police is complete.

well it will be complete early october, im confident, i know my kids i brought them up, they know right from wrong!

Alison, I understand that you are very upset about what's happening to your son, but I don't feel this thread is the right place to try and defend your son.

Alison jayne- "if you were raped there would be evidence"

this is a rape myth

there is often witness evidence of the victim and physical evidence of penetration but nothing else

force/bruising is not necessary for an act to have been rape

there was a Mumsnet campaign a few months back about rape myths like this- please dont promote rape myths in this space

Well said Margery. I'm astounded actually that these myths and vicious attacks have been allowed to stand.

As I understand it the allegation is of oral rape. Pretty difficult to get 'evidence' of this, but you have to wonder why a 15 year old girl would subject herself to the sort of shit she will be undoubtedly be going through. Lots of police interrogation, no doubt, and the sort of attitudes displayed in this thread.

Alison's original point on here was pretty straightforward about her son. The vile comment that "Actually alisonjayne, there's a 90%+ chance that your son did it" was what prompted her more forceful defence of her son, so I think it's unfair to round on her now. That statement is totally incorrect and fundamentally misunderstands how statistics work. It is wrong that there is a 90% chance that any particular accused committed the crime. The crime either was committed or it was not - the "chances" are either 0 or 100% - and the point of the investigation and trial is to decide whether there is enough evidence to decide the crime was committed by this accused. There is no trial by statistics. The case has to be considered on its own merits and its own evidence. Where the only evidence is the testimony of the accused and the victim-witness, credibility will be the main issue. Alison knows the people involved and their accounts of what happened and she believes her son. That's not necessarily just a mother's prejudice for her son but a view of the likelihood that this particular accuser and this particular accused are telling the truth. Something none of the rest of us can form a view on.

im defending false allegations of rape, and i know alot more about it then you as i know the case, you dont. dont make my son out to be a monster and tell me hes guilty before hes even been charged! idiots young girls are just as sick, and once theyve kept a lie going they get into deep and carry it on, justice will be served though i have faith. im done talking to you al now who have told me he probably did do it and aimed it directly at me. thats sick. i will be setting up a campaign about girls who cry rape and a support group for boys and their parents, as i know how it feels. you dont! end of discussion from me.

thankyou florafox, they are clearly just want to gang up on me because they think im defending rapists?? please!! rapists are monsters who deserve to go to jail, my son isnt one of them, and yes im angry and hurt, but at the same time im not stupid, i believe innocent people dont get charged and i have faith in the police. i am glad they are doing all they can in case it was a genuine rape so for this reason i am going along with it all till they tell me they are not charging. if it goes to court then i will be a witness myself as i was there on the date and i saw her and she was bloody fine and she begged him to be her boyfriend. im not justifying it anymore, i was just saying not every woman or girl that reports a rape is truthful like you all think. and if it was your son and you knew what i know you would feel the same.

there is already a campaign against girls who cry rape and in suport of accused boys. it is called all of human civilisation, at least the ones we know of, for all of recorded history, and you will find it everybloodywhere

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That statement is totally incorrect and fundamentally misunderstands how statistics work. It is wrong that there is a 90% chance that any particular accused committed the crime. The crime either was committed or it was not - the "chances" are either 0 or 100% - and the point of the investigation and trial is to decide whether there is enough "

It also misrepresents the statistical data and fails to understand what is meant by false reporting.
False reports are reports made in the knowledge that they are false and with the intention that such a falsehood is believed. It is around the same rate for rape as in all other crimes.
That does not mean that all other reports which are not deemed to be false, are to be taken as evidence of the truth of their contents. Merely that the person making the statement believes its contents and they are made in good faith. As such this does not mean that the 90+% of reported crime which are not deemed to be false reports(for all offences) means the accused did it.

have any of you had experience in a rape case???? i have for 8 MONTHS!!

Evening all,

Just to say that this is an old thread from June 2012 that has been recently bumped into Active.

We also wanted to post a link to our rape myths for those who haven't read them.

Alison- there are quite a few of us on this thread who do know what we are talking about. You are promoting rape myths, we aten't.

It is difficult when a loved one is accused of a crime but there are plenty of women on mn who have been involved in rape cases as the victim and have suffered much more than you in your present situation.

When rape victims have to read your rape myths it opens old wounds and makes recovery more difficult. Surely you can understand that?

mumsnet how do i delete so im not part of this group because it disgusts me that you think no women make false allegations, it really does either delete me or tell me how to do it.

You need to report your own post and for your comments to be deleted Alison.

@ALISONJAYNE

mumsnet how do i delete so im not part of this group because it disgusts me that you think no women make false allegations, it really does either delete me or tell me how to do it.

Hi ALISONJAYNE

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i suggest that mumsnet should respect the fact that every boy or man who is accused of Rape is infact innocent till PROVEN guilty, and as a follow up to this case my son was supposed to go october but instead we were called brought back to police station and told that the girl who has been pursueing these charges after 7 months has now infact CONFESSED that she was telling a lie and it did not happen!! no charges are being brought on my son. so now i am going to see what i can do to make sure she never puts another innocent boy and his family through this. your comments have been disgusting might i add. goodbye

Most rape trials never get to court.

Most rapists are actually rapists.

Most women don't lie.

Many women withdraw the allegations because they are sick of being treated like scum or because of bullying and intimidation tactics by the accused and their families.

90 -95% of women DO NOT lie about being raped. Of those who make false accusations, a portion misidentify their rapist and many, many more suffer from serious psychological disorders. That percentage includes women who withdraw their accusations EVEN IF THEY ARE TRUE.

Nearly all rapists lie about being rapists.

Me, i go with the statistics.

go with your statistics i couldnt care less i praise the police and how they have dealt with this and Justice has came in the end and i have alot of respect for them that they do see through a liar when they get one. also im very sorry to all women who are actually raped as this crap makes it harder for REAL rapists to be convicted. keep your nasty comments to yourself as i know alot more than you.

Why do you know more AlisonJayne? Have you been raped?

It isn't your right to tell rape victims how they should feel.