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Why you shouldn't support legislation blocking internet porn

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Andrewjh · 07/05/2012 00:21

Ed Vaizey and Claire Perry and a number of other politicians are trying to force ISPs to block adult content under the pretence of "think of the children", however this will have the opposite effect and could lead to children being exposed to far greater problems.

  • Children these days are very tech savvy, especially with regard to the internet. And they need to be - the UK is the largest internet economy in the world. To succeed in the UK in the future, you'll need to know your way around a computer and around the internet from an early age.

  • What happens when ISPs block sites is something called the Streisand Effect. Basically by banning it, they generate a huge amount of publicity and support for the sites. The Pirate Bay site last week got blocked in the UK, and it received traffic increases of 12 million users downloading millions of pounds worth of software, music, films and games. Blocking something increases its internet traffic, its exposure, and suddenly 30 times more people know about it than did before.

  • What also happens when you block these sites is a huge amount of internet users figure out free and easy ways around the blocks. ISP's don't have the resources to stop this, and in most cases, it is impossible for them to do so. anyway. The Pirate Bay blocks can be got around within 20 seconds, and that is just googling "how do I get around pirate bay blocks".

  • Many of the methods employed by users to get around the Pirate Bay blocks so they can illegally download files will also be posted as guides to get around porn blocks. These are accessible through any search engine (google, bing, yahoo).

  • The problem is that tech savvy children (it only takes one to find out how from the internet or an older brother, then tell his friends, who tell their friends etc) can easily find out how to get around it. I mean it is as easily as it is to look up something for their homework, if not easier.

  • The other more dangerous issue is that whilst once they've gone through those guides, they can easily find links to far darker sites which host horrific viruses, hackers, as well as references to drugs, drink and other adult content. They can also find links to anonymous chatrooms where they could meet anyone without you knowing.

  • This is the danger that opt in and blocking poses. They will give you a sense of security when there is none.

  • This is also based on the assumption that the block actually blocks all porn. They rarely ever do, and sites posing as sex education sites which don't get blocked get through with adult content. So you'll be under the illusion that the internet is safely blocked when it isn't.

Think of it like this. Imagine the internet is a cliff, and we are having a picnic at the top of the cliff. It's a mostly beautiful view, but if you let your guard down, you could fall off. You wouldn't let your child play near the edge. Installing the opt in system is like putting a strong looking but flimsy fence in place. You could be fooled in to thinking it was safe but left to their own devices your child, could easily fall through. We can't put a brick wall there otherwise it spoils the natural beauty of the view (the educational benefits of the internet).

So what to do? Firstly don't support legislation calling for blocks. It doesn't work, its been shown not to work in the past as well as more recently. Children can easily find a way around it, and in doing so find a far darker side of the internet.

Secondly: If you are concerned, use censoring software on your computer, but don't be content with just that. Use Browser tracking software like this - www.any-activity-monitor.com/free-browser-history-recorder.html so you can accurate tell what your child has been viewing, even if they delete it off the browser. There are also many simple, free and easy tutorials written online on how to better protect your computer and your child.

Thirdly: Take some time to talk to your child about internet use. It can be an amazing tool but it can be dangerous. They need to know that right and wrong, safe and risky, they all still apply online (something easy to forget I assure you). They'll avoid things if they know its wrong. They will be curious about things if its only blocked.

Lastly, don't be fooled by people using the "think of the children" line. It's an alarmist appeal to emotion. There is very little danger so long as you use your common sense and only allow a child a sensible amount of time on the internet. As a politics student, I have to question whether this has been saved up till now to gain support for the government after an miserable turn in recent polls.

Thanks very much for reading, I hope you'll consider your position.

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ravenAK · 13/05/2012 22:51

& The Pirate Bay have evidently learned from that, as witness the fact that erm, they haven't been.

The consequence of shutting down internet sites is evolutionary pressure on the next generation to be smarter.

You can play Whack-a-mole with porn sites all you like...you'll just get cleverer porn sites.

Starwisher · 13/05/2012 22:52

They had an injuction on them.

They had to pay out over $36 million

The internet is not lawless

Empusa · 13/05/2012 22:55

Right. So you'd get an injunction against a porn site how?

DioneTheDiabolist · 13/05/2012 22:57

My parents are nearly 70. They are afraid to allow my 10yo DN use the Internet in their house. The Opt In option would set their mind at ease and allow my DN (and in the future my DS) to use the web to help them with their homework.

As for PirateBay, forgive me if I am mistaken, but has the upsurge in users not been about sending a message that Internet users wish to register their protest against the protection of Big Business interests by government?

To me, the refusal of an Opt In is once again government protection of Big Business.

Empusa · 13/05/2012 22:58

"The Opt In option would set their mind at ease and allow my DN (and in the future my DS) to use the web to help them with their homework."

So would installing a filter for them.

chandellina · 13/05/2012 22:58

Come on, the point is simple that a lot of parents would like to see it tougher for their children to access porn. We are willing to accept imperfect solutions that are certain to improve over time and possibly evolve even faster than the hideous, misogynistic attitudes that are being instilled in our kids.

Starwisher · 13/05/2012 22:59

By changing the law obviously.

Empusa · 13/05/2012 23:01

Making porn illegal is a whole other conversation.

Empusa · 13/05/2012 23:01

"We are willing to accept imperfect solutions that are certain to improve over time and possibly evolve even faster than the hideous, misogynistic attitudes that are being instilled in our kids."

Good, then you'll be happy with computer based filters with regular updates.

Starwisher · 13/05/2012 23:04

You wouldnt make porn in itself illegal, you would make it the law that they had to comply with making sure only people over 18 could view it.

Like alcohol retailers. You are not banning the product, you are controlling who can purchase it

Starwisher · 13/05/2012 23:05

Empusa. What age bracket are your kids?

Do you think they are able to get hold of porn if they wanted to, maybe now or in the future?

Empusa · 13/05/2012 23:08

The UK govt can only prosecute UK based sites. How would you enforce it for sites hosted overseas?

My DS is a little young to work a computer, and as I said earlier I will do what I can to stop it, but cant control them outside of my home.

Starwisher · 13/05/2012 23:12

By changing the law for incoming websites that do not want to be blocked and advancing technology. Nobody has a crystal ball, it could be possible one day.

You cant control your kid out of your home, and I think you will be in for a nasty surprise when he is older enough if things do not change.

ravenAK · 13/05/2012 23:12

'You wouldnt make porn in itself illegal, you would make it the law that they had to comply with making sure only people over 18 could view it.'

Weren't we here last night? How precisely are you going to oblige a porn site hosted in Austria to comply with UK law?

Let's say you could. One down, 2.4 million a month to go.

DioneTheDiabolist · 13/05/2012 23:13

They don't know what a filter is.

Sorry Empusa can you remind me what your objections to Opt In are again?

Empusa · 13/05/2012 23:14

"By changing the law for incoming websites that do not want to be blocked and advancing technology."

I thought you weren't talking about the ISP filter?

Empusa · 13/05/2012 23:15

Dione
Loads and loads and loads or reasons why it wouldn't work effectively. See all my previous posts.

Starwisher · 13/05/2012 23:15

Raven you do not have a crystal ball, you do not know what changes make take place in our laws or technology in the future.If ever anything like this was implemented then it is not impossible if the goal is worked towards.

niceguy2 · 13/05/2012 23:16

And what about sites like Piratebay which have managed to stay online for over 8 years despite hosting millions of files illegally. Despite having their founders jailed the site is still up serving everything from software to ebooks to PORN......

Like I say, you may as well tell the govt to legislate for sunshine.

ravenAK · 13/05/2012 23:17

You see 'advancing technology' sounds good.

You do know that most of the advances in internet technology, sad to say, have historically been driven by the porn industry?

There's a lot more incentive to speed things up, make things higher res, make access easier from competing porn suppliers than there's ever going to be from some hypothetical UK watchdog trying to hold back the tide.

Starwisher · 13/05/2012 23:21

Niceguy

Yes Piratebay has been mentioned a number of times now. Just because it is still available now, do you think it always will be? It make take years to become more powerful, but law and technology is not stagnant. It can and it will adapt. Relativley speaking the internet is only in its infancy and we are responding to the way it is used.

Unless you think we best give up?

How many people would be willing to set up a site like Pirate bay in the future?

Empusa · 13/05/2012 23:24

"technology is not stagnant"

Quite. Thing is it tends to be a leap frog effect, so the tech might evolve to block piratebay, but then tech will evolve to get around the blocks, and so on and so on.

Starwisher · 13/05/2012 23:24

Raven if it was a goverment goal with the funds it would start getting advanced. There will be bidders who do have the technical know-how and solution finding skills.

ravenAK · 13/05/2012 23:25

'How many people would be willing to set up a site like Pirate bay in the future?'

Seriously? I'm tempted to paste that as my FB status. I'd be buried about 8' deep in geeks.

Starwisher · 13/05/2012 23:26

Well try then raven. Would they risk imprisonment and milions of pounds worth of fines?

See how many actually go on to do it in all reality