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The Government's new 'Family Troubleshooters' plan: what do you think?

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HelenMumsnet · 15/12/2011 12:50

Hello.

We've been asked by the BBC what Mumsnetters think of the Government's plans to set up a new network of "family troubleshooters" who will be paid to help turn around the lives of problem families.

The idea is that these troubleshooters would work with these families and be given targets to meet, such as helping the parents to work, stopping them from drinking or taking drugs, and/or ensuring the children go to school and do not behave anti-socially.

Prime Minister David Cameron says that appointing a single troubleshooter for each family is now "crucial" as problem families can currently be visited by up to 28 different public-sector workers - none of whom may have the chance to see or work with the family unit as a whole.

So, what do you think of this plan? Do please tell...

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SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 16/12/2011 11:16

i'm living off the state? jesus you like to show your true colours quickly don't you?

how very charming.

you know nothing of my circumstances or what i have contribute to this society.

at least it means anyone with a brain doesn't have to bother wasting their time reading your posts when you make clear exactly what kind of nazi person you are.

lubbermummy · 16/12/2011 11:17

The money would be better spent inventing the time machine, going back a few years, killing thatcher, and saving british industry

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 16/12/2011 11:19

lubber - marvelous idea. sign me up.

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 16/12/2011 11:23

jesus have i really just had to face someone telling me 'i live off the state' as a disabled woman and not ONE FUCKING PERSON other than me has seen fit to challenge that?

guess the media spin is working great.

MmeLindor. · 16/12/2011 11:28

Maypole
You don't sound very hopeful that there is anything that can be done, and tbh, I think that is likely typical for those working in this area. btw, pulling you up on spelling and grammar may be a bit harsh, but I have to admit that I didn't understand some of your points because of this. I don't know if you are posting on your phone, maybe that it why some words are being changed.

Niceguy
Well spotted. I doubt many councils will even attempt this, if they are having to come up with some of the funding. From where?

Don't tell them, but here is the article from the Times this morning. It is rather depressing.

You can?t save troubled families on the cheap
Camila Batmanghelidjh

We know where the problems are. But Whitehall needs to do the psychological maths

I can?t believe it: a Prime Minister who is prepared to tackle the hidden problem of troubled families, in whose unhappy bosom there are catastrophic levels of child abuse and neglect. But I?m sorry that it took the summer riots to wake the nation up to the price we must pay when some 1.5 million children are being maltreated in Britain every year.

Governments have brushed all this under the carpet for decades ? the kids don?t vote and the dysfunctional families can be kept in the ghettos. But the ugliness of our emotional ghettos spilt on to the well-swept streets in August, demonstrating the type of violence that years of negation, humiliation and abuse can brew.

Politics has lagged behind neuroscience for some time. Brain scans confirm that no one escapes from the effects of child abuse ? we can see how it physically changes the brain, scarring the limbic system, the part primarily responsible for emotional functioning. Profound neglect creates black holes in the frontal lobe, which helps to explain why some people struggle to behave well. And these damaged children grow up not only hurting themselves but in time their offspring too.

Governments like to keep things tidy, so yesterday the coalition identified 120,000 troubled families in whose lives it would like to intervene with targeted support. It has put the entirely competent Louise Casey in charge of its Troubled Families Team. Ms Casey doesn?t beat about the bush; she likes results, and she?ll be determined, but I?m not sure even she realises the toxic combination of disturbed families and disturbing local authorities that she faces.

We know who these families are already. Dawn and her children fit the bill for intervention. By the age of 11, she had an alcohol problem. She ended up sleeping on the street, where she met her partner, Trevor, who had a crack habit and had similarly emerged from a childhood of abuse. Their nine-year-old daughter has frequently cleaned up her parents? vomit, while doing her best to take care of her younger siblings. Social services would not intervene, as neither parent was seen to be ?abusing? their children.

Under-resourced social work departments are making such unethical choices all the time, leaving children hungry, neglected or sleeping on the floor. A house littered with dog and human faeces is now not classified as child abuse, nor do social services take responsibility for a 13-year-old boy being run by drug dealers and witnessing the torture of other young people: that?s classed as a police matter.

It?s a sign of the disturbed behaviour of social services that only abuse of the severest kind is now categorised as such. There is a silent and collusive climate where, in the pursuit of league table success, many local authorities sanitise their statistics, giving central government the good news and hiding the bad. This is not the action of evil professionals; it?s the corrosive effect of the defeatist attitude that ?there aren?t enough resources, so we can?t do it?.

Dawn and Trevor?s 18-year-old son is now in prison for manslaughter and the nine-year-old girl is attempting to manage the burden by regularly cutting herself. The difficulties of dealing with such families can be paralysing, generating hopelessness in those working to help them. Who will help those workers?

It would be wrong solely to blame social workers for these ills. They reflect a system corrupted by poor leadership and which puts process before action. On top of that, care is divided between so many scattered agencies that families are passed around without anyone specifically having responsibility for their problems.

The question is, will Ms Casey be allowed to be honest and brave? The first unspoken truth is that helping troubled families cannot be done on the cheap. The Government is making £448 million available, but local authorities are expected to put in 60 per cent of the total cost. How do you do that when you don?t have the money? Voluntary agencies are supposed to step in as partners, but how will they do that when local authorities are cutting their funding?

Let?s get real ? the cost of intervention per family is budgeted at about £3,750. That wouldn?t leave much after paying for the dog food of the pitbull that?s going to be waiting to bite the flesh off the new keyworker.

The cost to the Exchequer of cleaning up the social failure of these families is £9 billion a year ? all those 999 calls when children are screaming as their father smashes a bottle over their mother?s head and looks menancingly towards them. Someone in Whitehall hasn?t done the psychological maths very well. Sorting out these families properly costs an enormous amount of money.

So will Louise Casey have the power to change that? Will the troubleshooter solve it or be shot?

Camila Batmanghelidjh is founder of the charity Kids Company (kidsco.org.uk)

TheBrandyButterflyEffect · 16/12/2011 11:29

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niceguy2 · 16/12/2011 11:31

Santa, I think you need to calm down a bit. I can't see any reason why you are being so angry and insulting towards Maypole. She's trying to make some relevant points being debated in this thread whilst you seem to be taking each response as a personal insult. You do your credibility no favours by describing the troubleshooters as fascists, Maypole is a nazi and picking on spelling/grammar.

MmeLindor. · 16/12/2011 11:34

Santa
I did notice that comment, but ignored it as it was really not worth commenting on.

There are lots of people who support these protests but who may not actually post on the threads. There are always lots of lurkers.

You know that I support you, but you need to back off a bit. Just because people aren't posting, doesn't mean they don't agree, and you are risking alienating people by being too angry. And I mean that in the nicest possible way.

Frothing is good, but accusing people of not caring is hurtful for those of us who do care.

sfxmum · 16/12/2011 11:46

the point about the local authority putting up a considerable amount of money to be matched is interesting. I assume that the more deprived areas will have the greatest problems as well as diminished revenue and consequently fewer resources, how would it work?

niceguy2 · 16/12/2011 12:30

Sfx, that's why I think this is just a political stunt rather than a serious attempt at sorting out dysfunctional families.

Council's stump up the cash. If these troubleshooters succeed then DC gets the credit whilst only paying 40% of the actual cost.

If they fail, they don't pay and so they've lost nothing.

Most councils probably won't find the money, esp not the poorer councils with the biggest problems. The coalition can claim that it's a decision for the council and they've made £400 million available.

So it's heads they win, tails councils lose. Politics.

GossipWitch · 16/12/2011 12:58

450 million quid??? seriously why not put that back into all the sure start centers that they've shut, and put more police on the street, and maybe helping the disabled people who they've rendered prisoners in their own homes due to cutting their benefits...and as for the troublesome families who helped towards the rioting, wasn't there a teacher and a millionaires daughter involved?? do they get these services? rant over!!!

GossipWitch · 16/12/2011 12:59

Oh and how about making more jobs available, perhaps then these troublesome families may actually be too busy bloody working to cause trouble !!!!!!

Tortington · 16/12/2011 13:08

bloody bollocks is what it is.

i;m bloody working and i feel dissafected.

stupid rich uppercrush toffee nosed out of touch knobber

EdithWeston · 16/12/2011 13:43

I've read some if the further links with interest.

But they are all to press reports.

Is there actually a governmental document which describes exactly what is being proposed here?

Or is this administration returning to the days I had fervently hoped we had seen the last of; by half-announcing policies so they can be disavowed if unpopular.

I am concerned about the return of style over substance. Substance being proper research, written policies and the confidence to carry them out properly and thoroughly. After the new Labour spin years, the prospect of sound administration and the move away from spin, pre-announcements and the like was a very welcom thing.

Unfortunately it is proving illusionary.

maypole1 · 16/12/2011 14:13

MmeLindor apologies for my post bad spelling mixed in with I pad use

Its not that I am not very hopeful but I just don't see what can be done with those determined not to do right by their children

For instance this lady would have had lots of support offered she lied and evaded ss and health at every turn even deceived her own family
Apart from remove the children and part she won't have any more I just don't know how you can change someone who dose not want to change and can't see how they act impacts negatively on their children

Say here this lady gave basically every one the run round why would it be different if they sent in a trouble shooter or she was sent to a sure start centre Even very sad and depressing but their are those who are determined to sabotage their own lives and don't really care if they take their kids down with them

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2074730/Kimberley-Hainey-left-dead-toddler-Declan-cradle-8-months-guilty-murder.html

maypole1 · 16/12/2011 14:17

I think they would do better to give sw and councils more teeth in dealing with these families than making extra layers of professionals

Currently its very difficult for ss to remove a child from its parents even if their on drugs or basically having the children run wild

Also very long winded for councils to intervene in families that are causing issues linked to their home eg running drug dens or using home as brothel ECt

woollyideas · 16/12/2011 14:34

What? Like this?

www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/big-fat-scottish-guy-to-sort-out-troubled-families-201112154678/

Nothing this government does would surprise me.

stubbornstains · 16/12/2011 14:47

Loving your work, woolly. I think the Daily Mash is about to become my online paper of choice.

woollyideas · 16/12/2011 15:02

Thanks Stubborn! You never know - some people would probably do this kind of thing voluntarily. Big Society in action...

MmeLindor. · 16/12/2011 17:36

Maypole
I did not click on the link, have been avoiding that story, but think that to use that as a reason not to assist other families is plain wrong.

Who can find a reason for a mother - hell, not just a mother, for anyone - doing something like that? And I don't accept that it is more common in these circumstances, in that social group.

I think that the children who are abused and neglected by the doctors, nurses, architects, businessmen, lawyers - these cases are not discovered or reported as often.

Simply because there is less state involvement and they are better at covering their tracks.

I still think that this scheme is a smoke screen, as Niceguy stated. Offer a big pot of money, make it sound good, with a bit of populism thrown in when you state that those who don't comply will lose house or benefits.

Most councils won't even bother trying to implement it, when they are not sure if they will get the funding.

MmeLindor. · 16/12/2011 17:40

oh, and Maypole. It might be nice if you could also apologise to Santa for accusing her of living off the state when she has stated that she receives benefits because of her disability.

It is hard enough to accept that you cannot support yourself without state assistance. She doesn't need comments like that to make her feel even worse.

maypole1 · 16/12/2011 18:37

ThankS for the tip but I think I will pass Santa wanted to get personal I had said I serval post I didn't understand why she was taking my post very personally as they were not directed at her, also I have been saying over and over I am not sure what can be done with these families

For some reason she wanted to get personal about my spelling fine if you dish it out you must take it as well

Attack my points fine if you want to get personal game on

maypole1 · 16/12/2011 18:44

MmeLindor - exactly who can find a reason hence why I a not sure this would work

"I think that the children who are abused and neglected by the doctors, nurses, architects, businessmen, lawyers - these cases are not discovered or reported as often."

Not sure I would agree I don't think teachers don't report abuse lest what class they are

I think I'm especially in cases of neglect eg not having a clean home or making sure children eat a balnced diet a lot of that comes from the level of education you have as opposed to wether you are poor or not

I worked with families who thought feeding a 4 month old smash was a good healthy diet a architect is less likey to think this due to their level of education

Just because you are highly educated you can still be poor

Many parents who have children removed have low reading ages or learning difficulties and find it hard to grasp why a child needs

BillyBigBaubles · 16/12/2011 19:23

Why does each government do this? They come up with a new plan instead of investing in the universal services such as Health Visitors and School Nurses. Why make 'Cost improvements' in the Local Authorities which impacts on Social Workers and Education Welfare Officers and then invest all this money in a troubleshooters... this is why we are in this financial mess, God knows what the long term cost to society as a whole will be!

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