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The Government's new 'Family Troubleshooters' plan: what do you think?

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HelenMumsnet · 15/12/2011 12:50

Hello.

We've been asked by the BBC what Mumsnetters think of the Government's plans to set up a new network of "family troubleshooters" who will be paid to help turn around the lives of problem families.

The idea is that these troubleshooters would work with these families and be given targets to meet, such as helping the parents to work, stopping them from drinking or taking drugs, and/or ensuring the children go to school and do not behave anti-socially.

Prime Minister David Cameron says that appointing a single troubleshooter for each family is now "crucial" as problem families can currently be visited by up to 28 different public-sector workers - none of whom may have the chance to see or work with the family unit as a whole.

So, what do you think of this plan? Do please tell...

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lubeybaublely · 15/12/2011 18:14

Excellent posts, Kate and Mme. Nail hit on head and driven right through the wood.

bigTillyMincepie · 15/12/2011 18:18

Yes, I agree Kate and ML. Xmas Angry

EdithWeston · 15/12/2011 19:28

Does anyone have a link to a proper Governmental policy paper on this?

The link in OP is to a press article.

The press account is not encouraging; it sounds muddled and woolly, and I think this Government has already a very poor track record in competent administration. But it's not clear whether the shortcomings and lack of clarity in this is a problem with their policy, or with the writing and editing of the newspaper. Something a little closer to the source would be welcome.

WillieWaggledagger · 15/12/2011 19:41

i thought DC's comment about "28 or more different state services that come calling at the door" was bizarre. isn't he ultimately responsible for these 28 or more state services? so he's creating another state service to deal with these 28 or more state services...

MmeLindor. · 15/12/2011 19:45

And what are the 28 or more state services?

winterfox · 15/12/2011 19:46

i agree with kate and mmelindor too, though not just sure start centres were closed, lots of youth services and play services were also cut. it's such a shame that so many talented people working on projects that were starting to see change in their community have not been allowed to grow under this government.

and i find it kind of hard to take family advice from people who hardly had a family life and were sent away to boarding schools from a young age.

Hmm

grim all round

MarriedToTheGrinch · 15/12/2011 20:33

so let me get this right...

The govnt is cutting spending and making 1000's of people redundant, people who want to work, people who get up in the mornings, parents who ensure their children get to school, parents who ensure their children are polite, hardworking etc, and the govnt is spending this money on a handful of families in comparison to get them to work when they have spent most of their life actively dodging it Shock

Do we actually need any more proof that David Cameron and his cabinet are living in a different universe? Time to call the people in the white coats and send them straight to no10.

HarrietJones · 15/12/2011 20:35

State services working with families

School/nursery
Health. ( HV/GP/school nurse)
Social services
Sure start
Housing
Youth services
Connexions
Can anyone help me with the rest?

winterfox · 15/12/2011 21:05

play development workers (afterschool clubs, adventure playgrounds, holiday projects)

KateMiddlet0n · 15/12/2011 21:09

State services working with families

School/nursery
Health. ( HV/GP/school nurse)
Social services
Sure start
Housing
Youth services
Connexions

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You'll need to strike off Sure Start and Connexions. The former's being axed, the latter's already gone.

Youth services - do we still have those? Thought they'd all been cut yonks ago.

Health... depends what your local GP consortia think is popular and money making important

Education... you're probably ok so long as Toby Young or big business isn't running your school and excluding your children because their hair is a millimetre too long or whatever.

HarrietJones · 15/12/2011 21:12

Connexions is still here but v diminished.At round here any way.

Youth offending is another state service ( getting slashed)

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 15/12/2011 21:27

youth clubs were great - they gave kids things to do, places to legitimately gather and hang out with each other with trained youth workers who were very good at building rapports with disenfranchised kids and drawing them into activities.

connexions - did some sterling work and helped navigate the various services and agencies the kids they looked after had to deal with

sure start - was also doing sterling work.

social services - what's the problem? massive underfunding and such miserable overloading and being forced to do a shit job through lack of time and resources that good workers have left in droves.

how about just fucking well funding the things that we know work instead of more hair brained schemes designed and run by numpties with no experience in the field.

i trained with a service called Catch22 that works with kids in, or likely to end up in, the criminal justice system - also getting slashed by cuts.

what is this shit????

do they really really think we're all stupid?

they are taking money from poor families to run hairbrained schemes that will achieve feck all. in the meantime many familiies will fall into problem categories as mass unemployment and cutting of benefits and services sees them going under.

another slow clap.

KateMiddlet0n · 15/12/2011 21:51

Connexions are ancient history round my way Sad

maypole1 · 15/12/2011 22:16

State services working with families

School/nursery
Health visitor
GP
Foster caers
Social Workers
Sure start
Housing
Youth services
Probation
Mental health
Cams
Court guardians
Judges
Sexual health
Educational physcoligost
Family Support worker
Inderpendant Parenting asseor
Police
OT
Benefit agency
Childmiders (often paid for by ss for troubled families) baby p had one if I remember rightly.
CAB
charity's eg homestart

How am I doing so far these families cost so much the saddest thing I find is many are talking about poverty equating with bad parenting often these families have more net income in benefits than low paid working families

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan personally I think connections,sure start and youth club are never the answer for families who are broken they don't actually see they have issues and would only access those services if compelled hence why sure start is full of boden wearing middle class mums

Eg families I work with only take up a parenting class if they feel it will get their children placed back with them they go pay ip service then once their children are returned its business as usual.

Or parents will used the state funded childminders to hang out with the new squeeze not use the time to look for work or go to collage

I don't know what can be done some parents just are not up to the task its not about poverty just about poor parenting but the ss model is not working at the moment

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 15/12/2011 22:20

but seriously how to create interclass resentment and fraction. destroy benefits and services that worked for all re: tax credits, surestart, connexions etc taking things away from all of us whilst appearing to redirect the money taken from our pockets and services to spend on families who have systematically failed their children.

sure they should get money and support - if it's that bad social services should be right on their tail and welfare officers etc etc.

but if you want to create a way to make the middle classes and working poor resent those who are not putting in any efforts then this is the way to do it isn't it? and along with it to misrepresent as if these 'problem families' who need their 2yos in nursery for free and £450m worth of daft scheme spending etc are what all benefit claiming or poor families look like.

they're not. these are very special cases who need proper social work supervision and intervention.

i think there is deliberate prejudice and misrepresentation building going on with these daft supposed schemes.

i have a disability, i claim benefits but does my son need extra services? no. he does of course need enough money coming in to be able to put the heating on and have a mother who can do the things it takes to cope with her disability. but no being on benefits has not made me a feckless mother - my son is doing great.

dysfunctional families that abuse their children are to be found across the board - they're not distinguished by benefits or poverty or even lack of education. perhaps the mp's should check out the stately homes threads if they're in doubt.

this is all about sewing resentment and division and i actually think that most of us, here at least, and those wit access to the internet are just not buying it anymore because it is transparent and insulting.

give the 450m this is costing and god knows how many millions the free childcare for 2yo's of dysfunctional families back to everyone where it is means tested by income. it was fair. they didn't say ooh single mums get more cos x, y and z or the feckless get it but we don't. it was for everyone on a sliding scale dependent on what they earnt and the vast majority had a stake in it. it acknowledged the expense of raising children in a society wher ethe cost of living has majorly outstripped salaries.

it was a fantastic move forward actually that could/should have minimised inter class resentment. resentment that the tories seem determined to build up again and determined to eradicate any real class/economic mobility that had been created.

bleurgh.

maypole1 · 15/12/2011 22:22

I have personally seen sw afraid tell parents how it is and how the choices they make may loose them their children

We need plain speaking these new trouble shooters won't be any good if they too arrive wooly, ready for excuses and a guardian tucked under their arm

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 15/12/2011 22:26

maybe they didn't help the parents maypole, maybe there is no way of helping parents like that but they helped the kids, they helped see a different way and create future plans beyond the shite they were stuck in at home which they will get to leave one day.

and you're buying into this it's people on benefits who are the problem shit too i see. middle class people abuse, neglect and misparent their kids too you know? child abuse isn't a class issue. and the working poor are not somehow morally and psychologically superior to those on benefits (the working poor are on benefits most of the time anyway to be able to survive our extortionate living costs).

don't buy into cutting people up into little labelled boxes. people aren't soundbites.

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 15/12/2011 22:27

how do you fix people who don't give a flying fuck about their own kids?

you either get the kids out or you support them from the sidelines building up their aspirations and opportunities for the future and creating rapports through services like youth clubs and connexions with other more positive adults who help them see their potential.

maypole1 · 15/12/2011 22:29

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan
"dysfunctional families that abuse their children are to be found across the board - they're not distinguished by benefits or poverty or even lack of education. perhaps the mp's should check out the stately homes threads if they're in doubt"

I am afraid your wrong poverty is not a defining factor of parenting but its pretty high up their it's not about wether your working or not its about the attitude of idleness and interment.

I put it to you very few people who have full time jobs have time to go on the rob, I put it to you very few people who work full time don't have the time let alone the money to have 6,or 7 children

You make think this is all far fetched but very few families who I work with who are involved with ss have jobs and very often have more than 3 children very often with different partners

This is why we will never fix this because we can't be honest about what type of families are most likely to have these issues

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 15/12/2011 22:31

your prejudices shine forth Sad

ever wondered why the abused children from middle class families don't make it onto your case load?

maypole1 · 15/12/2011 22:32

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan very difficult to fight against bad parenting once a parent is resolved to their behaviour the only thing you can do is get the children out god knows we have enough children in care but but giving them aspirations form the sidelines in my view seldom helps when they go back home to their dirty home, with people who are fine with their 26 year old bf staying over and all the while passing them a joint

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 15/12/2011 22:34

what do you propose then eugenics?

maypole1 · 15/12/2011 22:38

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan

Nobody is saying middle class children don't get abused

But when we are talking about the specific thing of neglect

The type of families who are are on the last warning with the housing association who have a lot of children by serval fathers of which the children rarely go to school, which leads to crime and anti social behaviour or their part. ECt ECt dose not tend to be middle class people

I would love for these families not to exist but they do I can't tell you the prevalence of neglect in relation to class but we know that it is highly linked to education levels middle class people tend to have higher education levels

maypole1 · 15/12/2011 22:41

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan why are you spoiling for a fight , calm down I am just giving my views

I already said I don't know what could be done really this is so big were would you start ???

I don't think however. That more benefits will help these people if anything it's been their down fall my view its the idleness that is the biggest issue

edam · 15/12/2011 23:12

The government is telling a big fat porkie - pretending to do something while actually cutting family support and intervention. There were existing programmes which did seem to be making a difference - funded by the NHS, which is now facing a 20bn cut and councils, who are doing even worse.

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