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Security or Big Brother's watch?

57 replies

peacedove · 22/12/2005 14:31

From 2006 Britain will be the first country where every journey by every car will be monitored.

Britain is to become the first country in the world where the movements of all vehicles on the roads are recorded. A new national surveillance system will hold the records for at least two years.

Would you call it security or snooping for Big Brother?

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merryTissmas · 22/12/2005 14:34

might be useful if police were looking for missing persons, e.g.abducted children

littlemissbossy · 22/12/2005 14:38

Personally I think it's a good idea - helps track criminals and terrorists and car tax and insurance dodgers too no doubt. I've nothing to hide so they can track me all they like.

Normsnockers · 22/12/2005 14:38

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Tortington · 22/12/2005 14:41

nah, although the technology exists - its too complicated for this country to actually make happen.

its misinformation bollocks

colditz · 22/12/2005 14:42

I don't actually care. If they want to follow me around, they are welcome to. The majority of people who object to the police knowing what they are doing are doing something illegal anyway.

DoesntChristmasDragOn · 22/12/2005 14:48

"But others concerned about civil liberties will be worried that the movements of millions of law-abiding people will soon be routinely recorded and kept on a central computer database for years."

So what? If they're innocent why should they worry?

doormat · 22/12/2005 14:51

agree with others
have nothing to hide so what is the prob

peacedove · 22/12/2005 15:09

A little loss of freedom, a little loss of privacy!

Of course the benefits have been pointed out.

But then would you want police to install 24-hour security cameras to record everything in your house, just in case a burglar came in, and robbed or harmed you or your loved ones?

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Mistletoo · 22/12/2005 15:11

wouldn't bother me at all - as long as they don't snap me picking my nose

DoesntChristmasDragOn · 22/12/2005 15:12

My house is not a public place though. That's the difference.

doormat · 22/12/2005 15:12

or having nookies

PantomimEDAMe · 22/12/2005 15:13

Well, it's about the balance of power between the state and the individual. If I haven't done anything wrong (and I'm blameless, really!) then they have no business snooping into my private life.

The legal system in this country is based on the principle that we are free to do as we wish, except where the law says otherwise - so we aren't free to steal or murder. Start messing with that principle and the whole system unravels.

It is none of Tony Blair's, or MI5's, business where I go or what I do. I have no wish to live in a police state. The services of law and order are there to uphold the law, not interfere in the private lives of blameless citizens.

Did you see, for instance, the case recently where two men monitoring CCTV cameras in a city centre had turned the camera to spy on a woman undressing in her own flat? That's what 'I've got nothing to hide so no objection to surveillance' gets you.

Normsnockers · 22/12/2005 15:30

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KeyserSoze · 22/12/2005 15:31

i think tis good so we can fien them all for speeding

arf

hativity · 22/12/2005 15:50

I'm not sure the Belmarsh detainees would agree with you about due process normsnockers. Or don't they count?

Normsnockers · 22/12/2005 16:04

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hativity · 22/12/2005 16:12

so it's ok for the government to violate civil rights as long as it doesn't violate the rights of the defenders of those rights? logical. and what if no-one was willing or able to defend those rights? just a case of tough luck for the detainees?

Normsnockers · 22/12/2005 16:18

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Mistletoo · 22/12/2005 16:27

with you on the curtains thing

PantomimEDAMe · 22/12/2005 16:28

Oh for heaven's sake, the woman was probably in a second-floor flat or something where you don't expect to be overlooked!

homemama · 22/12/2005 16:29

I'm all for them monitoring me if they want to. A very dull job though, I imagine!

I think a sample of all our DNA should be taken. A swab at birth should suffice. This should be kept on record to combat future crime. It won't happen though, just like this won't. Pie in the sky!

peacedove · 22/12/2005 16:37

The point about public places is a good one, and I too have never broken the law, but I do feel a little queezy about loss of freedom or loss of privacy.

I do not like anyone other than the taxman to know how much money I make, how much savings I have, what charities I donate to, and how much.

And I do not want to know the same about some one specific. None of my business. I would be interested in total and average incomes and savings in nations, but not any specific individual.

I do not want anyone other than my wife to know how I perform in bed. No one's business except the two of us. And I do not want to know how others perform. None of my business.

I do not want to be monitored all the time. I like my freedom, well, to be free.

Normsnockers, why should this attack on some people's human rights have occurred in a country like Britain, which has been a democracy, and a champion of human rights for so long, and that too by a Labour government?

Why cannot we ensure that any governemnt that comes to power does not tinker with certain rights?

I will let you in on a little secret,

This is what history tells me, and I believe in learning from history, because mankind seems to repeat it ever so often.

You compromise a little of your freedom for your security, the taker takes more after some time. You acqueise in that, and he takes some more again.

The security people are never satisfied with what information they have about you.

They want, more, and more. Their ideal state is when everyone's every action is recorded, nay, every word, nay every thought.

It does not mean a police state now, but somewhere down the line, we may well be develop into one.

Wonder whether we will be able to stop it.
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And there is perhaps good news about the Belmarsh prisoners. The House of Lords just ruled against the government on such detentions. Am I right that this is about them?

The House of Lords Appellate Committee decision

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Glitterygook · 22/12/2005 20:57

Doesn't bother me. There are CCTV cameras adn therefore probably tapes of me shopping, driving along etc anyway. Who cares, noone's interested in me.

PD - what has performance in bed got to do with any of this?!

DoesntChristmasDragOn · 22/12/2005 21:27

What difference will it make to me if I am "tracked" driving down the hill to school? It's bl**dy obvious I do it - anyone standing by the side of the road could tell you I do it. What does it matter if I'm "tracked" driving into town to go shopping? Or drving to a children's farm?

The woman spied on by the CCTV camera could just of easily been spied on using binoculars from a window opposite.

My credit card company knows where I shop. They know what I buy. They could probably have a fair idea of my taste in music if they felt like pursing it.

A short search of this thread reveals that Peacedove only posts on threads with this sort of subject matter, that although they "do not want anyone other than my wife to know how I perform in bed" they also have a DH and I know that their religion appears to be Islam... my point being that information about us is everywhere rather than making any point about PD .

When we log onto websites we often end up with "tracking cookies" which monitor our surfing habits, our "loyalty" cards tell stores about our spending habits... lots of examples, none of which have a reason other than making profit. If "they" wish to find out about any one of us, "they" already can. Tracking vehicle movements via cameras? Well, there are plenty of positives and no negatives unless you have something to hide.

Nightynight · 22/12/2005 21:35

I cant believe you lot!
the government LOVES people like you who believe everything they say.