Burglar stabbed by homeowner, other burglar arrested...homeowner arrested

[Triggles]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-14963811

I don't understand this. The family/friends are laying flowers outside the house that he had broken in to and was killed. I get that they are family and friends and are upset, but seems a bit wrong to be putting the flowers outside the house of the burglary victim, does it not?

Well....I think it's horrible to have someone injured or dead and no matter who it is. It's really, really awful and God forbid I am ever in a situation like that where I'm faced with an intruder and end up hurting them.

that said I can understand that if you are scared, you will want to defend yourself wherever possible...especially if you have been threatened. We don't know what exactly happened here.

I would accept an intrusion into someone's home as an implicit threat but of what it's difficult to say.

If it were me, and say I were to disturb someone in my home and didn't have a clear idea what their intentions were then yes, I think I would probably grab the nearest chair, cricket bat or saucepan and whack them somewhere with it. I'd try very hard not to kill them. I don't think I could live with that.

I'd be aiming for temporary incapacitaion/ unconsciousness really. But I'm not that practised that I'd necessarily get it right.

Horrible to think about.

Well this is it, probably many of us would just lash out randomly without any idea what sort of damage we were likely to cause.

I just don't know the answer.

I just read the article. It's weird. It comes across like this chap who died was an honest, working man, some kind of Robin hood character who was doing nothing wrong.

mind you some elements of Manchester are like that. It's all about the money. Bits of it are SO deprived that there is a culture of just hatred of people with money and all people talk about is getting themselves the coveted sort of stuff that richer folk have.

Then you get on the tram and you're in somewhere like Bramhall or Knutsford and it's all pretentious, incredibly materialistic, conspicuous wealth becauise it's full of the folk what grew up in Stretford or somewhere and now they've 'made it' or else they grew up in relative wealth and lived in fear of the folk from Stretford

money, money everywhere and it's an evil influence. It's not like that anywhere else I've lived but I'm sure there are places.

actually stretford isn't the worst

thinking maybe sale and broadheath, that sort of place. Hardly qualifies as a human habitation. I've lived there so no offence

Bramhall is a nice area but the part of Bramhall where it took place actually has council houses and a dodgy working mens club at the other end of the street, it's not a millionaires row by any means.
I think most robbers are just jealous of people who are born into money or bothered to work hard to earn it...

Oh ok, you obv know the area far better than I do! Apologies...I've only a rough grasp/experience of a lot of Manchester.

Sorry. Think our point is similar though. There is a big cultural hatred of folk with money.

No apology needed - and yes maybe it is worse where there's a diverse community living side by side. I don't think that's just Greater Manchester though, it's probably worse in London.

Something like this happened in the U.S. years ago where a burglar broke in and was shot to death. The homeowner was sued for quite a bit of money by the family over the death. Is it any different if it's a gun or a knife?

and I totally agree, that you have no idea what a burglar wants, whether it is just monetary value or to harm someone who lives there.

From the Sun this morning:
^BURGLAR Ray Jacob was a violent criminal and drug addict who spent almost HALF his adult life in jail, The Sun can reveal.

He was a habitual knife carrier and a "nutter" when high on crack and heroin.

Jacob, 37, once went into a pub brandishing a stick of dynamite and a shotgun to terrify drinkers.

He was jailed at least NINE times, once for a vicious attack. Witnesses told how his victim was left "like a piece of meat".

A source added: "Ten years ago Ray was a force to be reckoned with ? he was a fighter, everyone knew he was tough. He was like an old man recently. But dangerous because he was always high."^

This guy deserved everything he got, he was stabbed with his own knife he was brandishing to rob and threaten Mr Cooke who feared for his family's safety, as we all would. He was, by the sounds of things, a vile & thieving scumbag who would have thought nothing of leaving Mr Cooke for dead as he has done with others in the past.

It was absolutely disgusting to see the scumbag's family leaving floral tributes outside the Cooke's home, mourn him by all means, but not outside the place where he was trying to rob ffs!

Sorry, italics did not work there!

The law in this country is a joke. It should not be a crime to kill a criminal that breaks into your house. We should have a "make my day law" like in the US. There should be no duty to retreat, or allow the criminal to escape. If they break into your house, they place their life in your hands, you should be able to do whatever you want to them, then just ring the authorities to retrieve the dead body.

There is no duty to retreat.
And thank fuck the laws don't reflect your view.