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Call me Mary Whitehouse but this makes me sick

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Caligyulea · 01/12/2005 09:56

number of men willing to pay for sex has doubled

In view of the fact that women from Eastern Europe are being enslaved so that dirty men can pay money to have sex with them, I think men who have sex with Eastern European prostitutes should bloody well be prosecuted for rape. That'd make 'em a bit less willing to take a liberal view of abusing women.

Here's another link

plight of the cellar girls

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Normsnockers · 01/12/2005 11:32

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Caligyulea · 01/12/2005 11:36

But the reason many of these prostitutes are drug addicts, is because the pimps who controlled them introduced them to drugs and encouraged them to take them, while pretending to be their boyfriends.

Once they were hooked on the drugs, the women (or girls in many cases, because they are usually extremely young and vulnerable) find out that the man in question is not in fact their boyf, as they'd fondly imagined, but a pimp.

What always staggers me is the lack of discussion about the pimps. What vile men they must be, and how light the punisments are for enslaving women.

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Bugsy2 · 01/12/2005 12:25

I'm all for legalising prostitution too and cannot understand why it hasn't been done.
Many women become prostitutes to support their drug habit, rather than go into prostitution and then become addicts.
We have a really bizarre attitude to sex and its role in our lives. We want to just see it associated with romantic love, when history shows us that this simply isn't the case.
Could debate this subject for hours but will restrain myself!

thecattleareALOHing · 01/12/2005 12:28

I despair at the thought of legalised prostitution, I really do.

northerner · 01/12/2005 12:29

Legalising the trade will make the role of pimp redundant though won't it?

bossykate · 01/12/2005 12:44

absolutely agree with you, caligula.

walkinginawinterBundleland · 01/12/2005 12:45

pimps = despicable

Caligyulea · 01/12/2005 13:48

No northerner - it will make the State the pimp! (Cue lots of state as pimp jokes)

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NotQuiteCockney · 01/12/2005 13:52

I have read some very strong arguments against "licensed" prostitution, but don't remember them that well. I think the strongest one was, often prostitution is a temporary gig for women, and requiring licensing makes it something more serious and permanent than they necessarily want it to be.

I do see an argument for licensing, though, particularly tied to STD testing etc.

northerner · 01/12/2005 13:53

Yes, but the State won't beat the girls up or force them to do drugs etc.

suedonim · 01/12/2005 14:33

So, if prostitution is legalised would unemployed women who could find no other job be told to become a prostitute? That's happened in ?Germany, I believe.

thecattleareALOHing · 01/12/2005 16:26

I think a state-run job that required women to have invasive tests for STDs makes me feel even more sick and revolted. Why should they? For whose protection, exactly?
I think it's a much better idea to make visiting a prostitute illegal and leave the girls alone.

Normsnockers · 01/12/2005 17:06

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ruty · 01/12/2005 18:12

i find it unbelievable that there are more and more enslaved prostitutes working in this country. I'm sure the police could find more of the set ups, I just don't know why and how it is allowed to continue.

monkeytrousers · 01/12/2005 20:48

What about child prostitution then?

notasheep · 01/12/2005 21:09

Dirty men will always pay for sex

Caligyulea · 01/12/2005 21:28

I think the link to the Australian story is illustrative as well. If it were legalised, how many of us would feel comfortable with the idea of either a practising prostitute teaching our kids, or a teacher who visits prostitutes.

Call me old fashioned, judgemental and anything else you like, but the idea of sending my DS into a classroom taught by a man who uses women as masturbatory aids, is so repugnant that I come over all Little Britain vomiting woman sketch. However, if it were legal, then presumably schools would have no grounds to sack the teacher for bringing the school into disrepute. Because legality means there is no disrepute.

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Caligyulea · 01/12/2005 21:30

And yes, why not legalise child prostitution as well, if the most desirable thing is to have things out in the open? (And given that a very high percentage of prostitutes started out as child prostitutes.)

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peacedove · 02/12/2005 10:46

It is sickening.

The overwhelming majority of prostitutes would be unwilling ones, who are broken into the trade by violence or poverty.

However, there is an increasing number of well-educated and articulate women who do it for the "higher living standards", and this in New York and London, too.

I chanced upon some blogs some months ago where I made this discovery.

Pimping and prostitution, and visiting prostitutes, should be illegal.

There is social security in the West if one canot find a job.

Janos · 02/12/2005 12:14

Interesting article about this in the Guardian today:'It's all about what you want and when you want it'

Caligyulea · 02/12/2005 12:21

I find it so amusing the way people in the sex industry use the term "relief".

As if not having sex is some kind of terrible pain that has to be alleviated.

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Janos · 02/12/2005 12:53

I think it's because an awful lot of men think they have a 'right' to have sex whenever they want it. In fact I actually asked my XP this very question. His answer was a resounding Yes!

Normsnockers · 02/12/2005 12:53

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ruty · 02/12/2005 12:54

a friend of mineis a priest who works with a group of women, some of them ex-prostitutes who help keep prostitutes company at night on the streets of East London. He doesn't talk about anything remotely religious with them, he just tries to help keep them safe and watches out for the most vulnerable. There are a surprising number of very young girls, often those who have run away from home or from care, working on the streets. I know this isn't surprising, but the fact that they get lost in the system so easily is to me. As is the fact that so many women get smuggled over from other countries and live imprisoned in prostitution, far away from the gaze of the law. Why isn;t more done to protect these women?