Family slaughtered- how did I miss this story??

[SickOnMyShoulder]

in the Daily Telegraph
How did I miss this?? A 3 month old baby and her siblings and parents murdered whilst sleeping in their home. Shocking. I don't care what your politics are, if you are human you will be disgusted.

20 palestinian dead in today's news.
Muslima, it is pretty much always reported but I concede just as a number. Coverage of Palestinian death is never humanized.
Anyone truly interested in the subject should try and understand what happened in 1947-48
this is a seriously good read.

I can't believe that Israelis behave the way they do after what happened to the Jews. it's like they want to destroy Palestinians the way that Hitler wanted to destroy them. A sort of scapegoat. They can't massacre and steal the land of the the Germans so the Palestinians will do.

Badger's Paw: "There also seems to be a hint of an "end of days" mentality to the settlers who seem to be believing that they are preparing for their "real and final goals" and that "the end is very near".

Jewish settlers believe that? Really? I had no idea, I thought this end of the world thing (and therefore the reappearance of Jesus Christ, final judgement, new world etc is a motivation for the evangelical (Christian) settlers in Israel to move there but I didn't know the Jews have some kind of comparable belief Can you explain it a bit, I honestly don't know what Jews believe about their "real and final goals".

googled Jewish eschatology and mostly didn't find more than the messianic era to come and the world turns to the JEws for spiritual guidance etc. One website has this:

"Olam HaTechiah ("World of Resurrection")

The World of Resurrection, "no eye has seen," the Talmud remarks,1 - not even those who have passed on to the next world, Olam HaBah. It's a world, according to most authorities, where the body and soul are reunited to live eternally in a truly perfected state. That world will only first come into being after the Messiah and will be initiated by an event known as the "Great Day of Judgment,"(Yom HaDin HaGadol)2 The World of Resurrection is thus the ultimate reward, a place where the body becomes eternal and spiritual, while the soul becomes even more so.3

NOTES

1. Sanhedrin 99a.
2. Ramban, Shaar HaGemul.

1. Derech Hashem 1:3:13."

So it is in the Talmud? Is that what you meant?

sorry to derail just curious about that. Obviously celebrating the murder of a baby indicates that you have lost the plot as a decent functioning compassionate human being. However celebrating the murder of an adult is also bad. A baby is an adult in the making in a way, just as an adult was a baby once.

That place is a mess but I can't figure it out

I posted this at the time since it was completely unreported in the media here and this was the delightful response I got. It got so upsetting that I just stopped responding after a while and vowed not to go near any of these threads for a long time which is how I missed this one. I'm glad to see not everyone on hear seems to share these views.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/1170691-How-can-you-celebrate-murdering-a-baby-in-cold-blood

Blighter I'd be very interested to know exactly which kibbutz in Gaza your friend lives in given in 2005 every Israeli settlement there was dismantled and all settlers forced to relocate. Perhaps your friend lives in one of the kibbutzim which are part of the 1967 borders but are now being shelled on a daily basis as a result of the removal of the settlements from Gaza?

Settlers is a term which covers a wide range of views. Some were offered cheap housing and are now stuck and unable to get decent living if they sell up. Some believe they have a right to settle land conquered in a war just as every country does. Some believe that holding these parts contributes to the general safety of the whole - the disengagement of Gaza does not exactly contradict this argument. Then there are others who believe there is a religious duty to settle all parts of the biblical land of Israel some of these can be quite extreme and in my view loonies, but that's my view. A very few of these believe that by doing this they will be instrumental in bringing the messiah. Danger is irrelevant to that though.

tigger

what are you talking about, what is your point? I've read the other thread and on the whole it was quite balanced unless I'm missing the point you are trying to make.

The key point which most seemed to refuse to acknowledge on the other thread was the exact nature of the act. An attempt to equivocate it with others was the only response and blame the parents for choosing to live there. Leaving aside any arguments over whether those parts of Israel contribute more or less to conflict this is sadly not the first time an act of this type has been committed by Palestinians on Israelis and others have been in areas which are very firmly within 1967 borders e.g. Nahariya.

The reason I posted it in the first place was firstly because it was so shocking and secondly because it was unreported in the media here.

I didn't read that thread like that and yes the parents IMO have to take some responsibility for putting their children in that danger. Religious settlers are obviously putting themselves out there to take what the Palestinians throw at them and dish it out in return. This case is horrific in innocent children were killed in a particularly violent and upsetting way - no one would dispute that, i believe.

tigger; 'settlers is a term which covers a wide range of views'. You got that right but neglected to include 'colonists', 'land thieves' and 'trespassers' among your descriptions.

Donnie - I don't agree with most of what goes on by religious loons/Israeli govt 'strategy' in terms of 'possession is 9/10 of the law', however, I do want to challenge your response above with some facts:-

Pre 1967, Gaza was a part of Egypt. If land was to be returned, it should be to Egypt. Egypt have never shown any interest in the territory since'67 (compare this to the return of the captured Sinai region in 1956), nor in the plight of Palestinian refugees.

Pre 1967, the West Bank was part of Jordan (which is why it's the West Bank despite being on the East side of Israel). Jordan doesn't want the land back - and they didn't want the Palestinians either, expelling the PLO and Palestinian refugees in 1971 in what was known as 'Black September'.