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Dior have sacked John Galliano

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minibmw2010 · 01/03/2011 15:40

On one hand I'm pleased as he is quite clearly a nasty little bigot, on the other I'm quite shocked they've taken such a strong stance with their incredibly successful designer. Good on them ...

www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23927649-oscar-winner-natalie-portman-attacks-john-galliano-over-anti-semitic-abuse.do

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minieggfan · 02/03/2011 23:14

No he didn't know the people he was speaking to.

He was utterly out of it and they were people mocking him, filming him and laughing at him in a bar. If they were so shocked why were they laughing at him - and why did they keep the film so long before making it public.

IMO they were at fault for mocking and goading an alcoholic.

minieggfan · 02/03/2011 23:16

I'm Jewish too - I don't take seriously the ravings of a sick alcoholic.

TragicallyHip · 02/03/2011 23:19

Oh they were certainly laughing at him! I just heard you can get 6 months imprisonment for comments like that.

Do we know what was said before his rant?

GetOrfMoiLand · 02/03/2011 23:21

I am glad that Dior sacked him, however I am cynical enough to believe that they have only done it because it suits them. Presumably Galliano was a liability and this is a convenient excuse. If he was still valuable to Dior I am sure this would have been brushed under the carpet.

I don't feel sorry for him, the fact he has been feted as a geeeeeeenius by such a ridiculous industry for so long is probably the reason why he feels he is invincible and can say such things with no recrimination. I read a very sycophantic interview in the Times with him, apparently he believes he has had several thousand lives.

He is ridiculous at best, and a nasty little bigot at worst.

lalalonglegs · 02/03/2011 23:28

I'm not sure I believe in the whole vino veritas thing - some drunks are just vicious. I don't think Dior had any choice but to sack him after the video emerged - whether they wanted to or not, I've no idea. Like TragicallyHip, I do wonder what was said in the build up to the rant.

expatinscotland · 02/03/2011 23:36

Yes, let's just excuse all the behaviour of people when they're inebriated somehow or another, let's just exonerate them from all responsibility for their actions.

minieggfan · 02/03/2011 23:37

Why is fashion a ridiculous industry? Beautiful clothes are fabulous and life-enhancing - and surprisingly difficult to create. The clothes you wear are influenced by haute couture - wherever you shop.

You may not like or understand Galliano, but he IS supremely talented and this is all very sad.

He doesn't think he's invincible. He wasn't in his right mind. He was drunk and sick.

TragicallyHip · 02/03/2011 23:37

Yes something else said may have goaded him to say these things..

Not condoning what he has said of course!

expatinscotland · 02/03/2011 23:42

'He doesn't think he's invincible. He wasn't in his right mind. He was drunk and sick.'

So what? He's an adult who is not insane. He knows he's in the public eye. Yet he still chose to go out in public, get sozzled and spew horrid remarks.

What if he'd gone out and driven and wrecked a car and killed or injured someone? Or punched someone.

Still okay because, poor thing, he was drunk.

The idea that people shouldn't be held accountable for their actions because they're addicts is ridiculous.

Who gives a toss if he's talented? The world is full of talented people.

Hitler was a talented politician and strategist, but a racist bastard all the same.

minieggfan · 02/03/2011 23:50

"The idea that people shouldn't be held accountable for their actions because they're addicts is ridiculous. "

Well actually being heavily under the influence of a drug renders you incapable of controlling your actions - that's why people on drugs sometimes throw up, or say stupid things, or wander down the middle of a busy road.

When sober they are accountable, sure - but when they are under the influence they don't know what they are doing.

minieggfan · 02/03/2011 23:51

And the world is not full of talented people actually.

NotWoozy · 03/03/2011 02:13

minieggfan that you John?
Seriously, you are excusing the racist anti-Semitic rantings of someone because they were under the influence? That is not acceptable. No doubt M Galliano did not have his drink of choice forced down his throat against his will, he chose to imbibe. I do believe that a person does not lose all sense of personal responsibility simply because they are drunk.
If being "being heavily under the influence of a drug renders you incapable of controlling your actions" as you say, then the person in question shouldn't take the drug or if they do, they should be prepared to face the consequences.

He is not the victim here. He is an adult, who has made his choices, and has been excused by a sychophantic industry for many years. Perhaps it did suit Dior to get rid of him, and this was a convenient way to do so, but to blame the people who filmed Galliano for his actions screams of ridiculousness.

NotWoozy · 03/03/2011 02:16

You do realise you sound like you are defending the indefensible, miniegg, don't you?
What do you think of his remarks, personally, given you have stated you are Jewish?

minieggfan · 03/03/2011 07:34

I think his remarks are offensive and odious. However I also think he is ill and alcoholic and said those things when incapable. I also think the people who filmed him were wrong.

I am not Galliano btw! I just dislike the idea that people can pick on a drunk, film him (laughing) and then claim outrage months later.

I am not saying he doesn't deserve to lose his job or be prosecuted or whatever.

HerBeX · 03/03/2011 23:15

"IMO they were at fault for mocking and goading an alcoholic"

So they were responsible for his anti-semitic rant?

That's enabling talk that is...

I don't think people become anti-semitic when they are drunk. I think drunk people who come out with anti-semitic rantings, are probably anti-semites who keep it to themselves when they are sober.

EdgarAleNPie · 04/03/2011 12:17

hmm. tough one. tough because - this wasn't at a fashion show, or in his profesional capacity, but in a bar -

he was of course an abject twat (interesting he was raised in Streatham, i never knew!) to do that - and i agree that being drunk doesn't make you a rascist, andbeing goaded into saying those things just makes other people wrong with him, rather than exempting him from blame.

but one wonders - did Dior just fire him to protect their reputation (there is a lot of Jewish money in fashion - especially London and New York...which poses a contradiction - for an anti-semite, he works with plenty of jewish people) rather than having carefully investigated?

Possibly Dior have been looking after him for years to prevent this kind of thing...and this was the moment they could no longer keep a lid on it. Lets see what the legal challenge brings.

RubyFakeNails · 12/03/2011 11:29

Personally I believe that being pissed doesn't make you racist it makes you more likely to say what you really think (as I have often found to my own detriment). Does he clearly drink too much yes but a couple of drunken episodes doesn't mean he is an addict so don't start feeling sorry for him just yet.

I work in the luxury fashion industry and I know all to well because he is so talented and successful he has his arse licked on a daily basis both personally and professionally. I wouldn't be surprised if he is used to talking to people so awfully all the time.
I'm also Jewish and I was offended, he clearly thinks to call someone a Jew is a real insult so he obviously is a racist rather than just a run of the mill drunken shithead.

Dior really had no option than to dismiss him, not just because of Jewish money in the fashion industry but can you imagine the media reaction and the public reaction. With Fashion Week happening, I could picture protests at the Dior shows and maybe even the other LVMH brands. Nazi groups would probably start decking themselves in anything CD.
As far as I'm concerned he got what was coming to him. Mazel Tov you hideous bigot!

slim22 · 15/03/2011 01:12

I think Ruby has nailed it! money talks louder than words at the end of the day and it is likely this was as good as an opportunity as any for the house of Dior to move on.

expatinscotland · 15/03/2011 01:21

I am not Jewish, I am a Catholic, yet agree with Ruby.

There is zero place for anti-Semitism, or any sort of hatred like that.

He is an adult. He said these things of his own free will.

If he had difficulty restraining his tongue then he should have, as an adult, restricted his heavy drinking sessions to a private and trusted audience.

It is no one's fault but his own.

Many struggle with poor backgrounds and substance abuse and would not dream of behaving in such a way.

Hitler was talented, too, in many ways, as were many of his supporters. This does not excuse their crimes.

'Those who do not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.'

MadamDeathstare · 15/03/2011 02:21

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