Breast Milk Ice Cream

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... anyone seen this? I wouldn't mind trying it but at £14, no bloody way :)

This man never seriously expected this to take off as serious product. The whole thing is one big gimmicky PR exercise to draw attention to his other products. To him him waxing lyrical about how much the benfits of BF meant to him on the Jeremy Vine show made me very cynical.

ladyfanny. My 3yo DD has cystic fibrosis. Are you saying that had I not breastfed her and let another mum who is not a carrier of the gene, feed her instead, she wouldn't now have CF?

If so, I think we should tell the scientists who are putting their life's work (and using millions of pounds in the process) into finding a 'cure' for this dreadful condition that there is in fact an easy solution?

"Cannibalism has a strong presence in both early and modern human's diet"?

Some references in support...?

Here you go BongoWinslow, but please be aware there is a disturbing photo in the www.weirdasianews.com/2007/04/02/cannibalism-in-china-acceptable-if-for-health/link

From another article;
"Zou Qin, 32, a woman from Hubei with the fine skin of a someone several years younger, attributes her well preserved looks to a diet of fetuses. As a doctor at the Lun Hu Clinic, Zou has carried out abortions on several hundred patients. She believes fetuses are highly nutritious and claims to have eaten more than 100 in the past six months. She pulls out a fetus specimen before a reporter and explains the selection criteria. "People normally prefer (fetuses of) young women, and even better, the first baby and a male." She adds: "They are wasted if we don't eat them. The women who receive abortions here don't want the fetuses. Also, the fetuses are already dead [when we eat them]. We don't carry out abortions just to eat the fetuses"
source

Finally there is the well publicized tale of Armin Meiwes

mintyneb

No that is not what meant.

I wouldn't say that was a stong presence though. More of a deviation from the norm. While there are always tales of cannibalism, I wouldn't say that it was a cultural practice which is misunderstood by others.

but ladyfanny, you are implying the opposite in that you can 'catch' CF which is just ridiculous.

Whether you have the misfortune to be born with the condition or not is already decided in the womb not by what you happen to drink.

I would love to know where you have done your research to come out with your statement

Thought that the Health Protection Agency would step in and ban this, after all it is on their website that there is risk of transmitting vCJD via breast milk.

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LadyFanny that article is complete bull - Not everything on the internet is true!!

Hardly a strong presence... two weblinks to some unusual cases. Not like you can pop down to the local Sainsburys and pick up some human flesh for your dinner.

"The adverse results of transfer of genes via breastmilk has been noted elsewhere . We know that when a woman breastfeeds a child that is not her own, she runs the risk of transferring/ triggering a copy of a gene that gives rise to certain disorders in the child; a good example is the (CFTR the Cystic Fibrosis Transmembrane Conductance Regulator) gene which is known to cause Cystic Fibrosis or Sickle cell disease."

Citation? I'd be very interested to see where you got this from.

FunnysInTheGarden

Apologies for the tardy response.

Like with most illegal activities, it is difficult to prove its existence, never mind provide evidence from recognised sources. I still maintain there is a strong presence based on my own experiences, but in the absence of verifiable evidence from recognised sources, you will just have to overlook my comment.

Going back to your last comment, if it was understood, then surely it would be practised in the open wouldn?t it?

Plus who decides what is normal? I forget which tribe it was that responded in shock when asked if they cannibalise their dead, ?don?t you??

LaWeasel,

Not everything on the internet is true? I cannot thank you enough for this revelation. After being online for the past 15 years, it never once occured to me not to take everything I read online at face value. Never!

Ps ? for your information, it is true.

BongoWinslow

So your counterargument is based on availabiltity? have you ever heard of black markets/underground economy?.

Here is your citation.

^ apologies, I gave you the wrong source. I don't have a citation to prove a link between breast milk and transmission of genetic material. This is more fringe science, than mainstream science. I started to look into it after reading about Sandra Laing(not in the Daily Mail though gags). Spoke informally with a few scientists who suggested the African wet-nurse/breast milk theory and that was the end of that. To date, I have never read a scientific article about this, or would have happily provided a reference that disputes, or supports my argument. I won't hold my breath though; after all, there is no money to be made from it :)

mintyneb,

I fail to see where I have implied that you can ?catch? CF, particularly since CF cropped up in a discussion about genetically inherited (keywords being ?genetically inherited?) and not contagious diseases.

You are trying to draw me into a discussion solely about CF, which I refuse to do for the following reason;

To quote a well known CF expert, Dr Dungan ? the molecular genetics and mutation profile of the CFTR gene are complex, with a wide range of phenotypic consequences ?. To even attempt to build an case around breastmilk for CF incidence is unfeasible. All I was suggesting is that breast milk can play a role in triggering CF in a child who should have been one of the 50% that is a carrier and not a sufferer of CF.

You wrote: Whether you have the misfortune to be born with the condition or not is already decided in the womb not by what you happen to drink

If your argument was valid, then there is no need for HIV infected mothers to be advised against breastfeeding their uninfected newborns. This study is one of many which actually proves that the HIV virus is not always transferred via breast milk, with others some claiming that breastmilk can actually protect the baby against the virus should the mother choose to breastfeed.

Interestingly, what are the underlying mechanisms that allow for HIV to supposedly be transmitted via breastmilk?

Ladyfanny, I appreciate you do not want to argue about CF specifically in a general discussion (although you did bring it up) but I would hope you appreciate also that I have picked up on your comments because it is a matter close to my heart.

my statement was in response to one of your earlier posts saying ?Woman A has a copy of a CF mutation but Child B (who is not her child) has a mother who does not carry a copy, while her husband does. This means that because Child B only inherits one copy of the gene, they will live a CF free life. Until Woman A comes along with her breast milk and transfers this copy of the CF mutation. Child B now has two copies of the gene, and therefore, will develop CF?.

So yes you did not say ?catch? (in the sense of contagious diseases) but ?transfer' but your statement made me so cross that catch and transfer meant the same thing to me

There is anecdotal evidence that carriers of CF can display mild CF like symptoms. Ask any number of parents of children with CF and you will find a high incidence of bowel problems, chest infections, asthma, sinusitis and heavy sweating etc. Bearing in mind there are so few people who actually know they are carriers it is hard to say whether there is any real connection between symptoms and carrier status. It has been suggested that the CFTR function works well enough in a carrier for them to have ?normal? body functions but in some individuals it might not work quite well enough hence the incidence of CF type symptoms.

This, as far as I can see is again down to the genes a person inherits though and not as a result of the interference of someone else?s breastmilk

I don?t know about HIV in any detail but am not sure of the relevance of comparing it to CF as they have very different causes

And I have explained why I brought it up.

I have noted this comment "but ?transfer' but your statement made me so cross that catch and transfer meant the same thing to me" and I truly didn't mean to trivialise CF or upset you. I can't even begin to imagine how hard it is to have a child with CF.

Your last paragraph is one I agree with fully, and I am not disputing the manifestation of CF etc, my theory in a nutshell is this; if HIV can be transmitted via genes in the DNA (hence my mentioning it), as well as the genes which determine a person?s race, I don?t see why genetically inherited diseases such as CF are precluded from this equation. That is my theory and in the absence of any scientific research, it will remain just that. A theory.

I suspect that we will just have to agree to disagree on this .

Have the Department of Health decided whether to ban the ice cream yet?

I wouldn't try it in a million years. While people argue that it's natural to have human milk as it's meant for people, they seem to forget that human viruses are meant to infect humans. If the safety tests on the milk missed somethnig then it would very easy for people to be infected by the milk that was improperly screened.

With animals though, there aren't that many animal viruses that will jump the species barrier and be able to infect humans. Give me cows milk ice cream any day.

Not even going to go there with the CF thing as a mother of a CF child (who incidently was not breastfed) and a child with non carrier gene (who was breastfed ALOT for a year) all I can assume is that you don't know alot about CF.

Back to Ice Cream, I think breastmilk Ice Cream is gross but I don't know why! I also think it would be gross served with a shot of Calpal or Bongela. {hmm]

I do know something, and that is how to spell. I am therefore going to assume you mean Calpol and not 'Calpal'. I am also going to assume that you mean 'Bonjela' the oral gel not 'Bongela' .

the ice cream was found to be safe for human consumption. so no, they are not banning it.

here is that piece of non-news