Dear David Cameron

[JaniceSoprano]

I have NO money to photocopy. For my pupils. We have NO money to buy text books. This is not mismanagement. This is not academy crap.

I work in a damp portakbin. Would you expect this of your kids teachers?
Yet you fund a chocolate tasting day for civil servants. You let prince charles charge you rent for a prison.

This is so bad. My DD's school is fundraising for the most basic things now. It is a crime.

Difficult decisions he would say, to deal with the largest deficit on record in the whole of the milky way and any galaxies beyond where there may be life, but that is life without deficits as large as our deficit.

Anyway, Ireland, how much was it you required? £50bn? No problem.

Is that OK RBS - will that cover your arse again? Enjoy your Christmas bonuses, great work.

Depressing beyond belief

Janice - that sounds terrible ....but... hang on a minute. You are conflating several things.

The money your school is getting today was surely set by the last Labour Govt and allocated by your local LEA.

The Coalition has said it will allocate the education budget more fairly in future direct to schools from the centre. That sounds better. Hopefully your school will get enough to cover what it needs. It sounds as if your local LEA been deliberatley starving it of funds.

I agree there is horrendous waste in the rest of Govt and I have no idea why on earth we are bailing out Ireland.

watches this space let's see how the tories will make this situation better

We are bailing out Ireland because all the govt cares about is saving capitalism (from which they do very nicely thankyou)

Getting rid of the sports for all.

Wrong.
Wrong.
Wrong.

Waiting to see what the 'Schools Olympics' bring. Possible only success for the elite, talented and competitive.

Wrong.
Again.

I have written THREE times to my MP in the last two months.

"We are bailing out Ireland because all the govt cares about is saving capitalism (from which they do very nicely thankyou)"

No, we're bailing out Ireland because if they go down we're in all sorts of serious trouble. Some of our banks have major loans to Ireland and a lot of our exports go to Ireland.

So do you want the banks to collapse, people to loose their savings and for companies that rely on exports to Ireland to close down?

I presume not.

So we bail out the Irish.

And we're probably going to do all right out of it too.

Our biggest problem isn't our debt but that the Government has been spending far more than it earns.

We can lend the money to Ireland, offer a lower interest rate than they can get from banks and offer a higher interest rate than we can get from the banks. So we'll make money out of it.

That and save British banks from crashing and British businesses from closing.

So why not do it?

Why are you angry at me? I am just explaining to the OP why this is happening (why there is no money for social welfare but money for banks). They are salvaging capitalism - propping it up, propping up the system, the banks, their wealth generating possibilities. That is just fact. Your post too is about salvaging capitalism - which apparently seems to be the only thing that one can, must and should do. Now, to take it further I hate capitalism and know that as long as it exists we will have crisis, but that is another matter.

"Why are you angry at me"

I'm not angry with you, just clarifying that saying that "all the govt cares about is saving capitalism (from which they do very nicely thankyou)" is nonsense.

They are saving the public's money (many people bank with banks that are owed money by Ireland).

They are saving companies from closure (many companies depend on exports to Ireland).

They are generating revenue for the public purse.

They are making sure that the Government continues to earn money as failing to do so would give them no money at all to spend on Social Welfare.

Saving people's money, saving peoples jobs and making sure that we can still spend on Social Welfare. All good things.

"why there is no money for social welfare but money for banks"

I'll have to repeat myself a bit....

The problem this Government has it it's massive overspending compared to it's income.

Social Welfare is a continuous expense, and that sort of expense is a crazy thing to do with the Government's equivalent of a big credit card, you just don't do day to day spending on credit (well the Government does, or did, which is why we're in the hole that we are).

However one off expenses can be done by borrowing. Which makes a lot of sense if that borrowing is an investment on which you can make money.

And bailing out the Irish in particular is something that we can do and profit from. We're able to borrow the money to bail them out at a much cheaper rate than the Irish can. So we then lend it to them and charge them more interest than we're being charged but still less than they could ever get.

So we make money from it.

Which the Government can then use to fund day to day expenses such as Social Welfare.

And that's why it's done. If the Government didn't do it people savings would go, businesses would close and the country would have an even harder time trying to pay for Social Welfare than it does at the moment.

Yes I know you hate capitalism but do you really want that?

...oh and aside from delivering our economy and people another severe kicking the collapse of Ireland would also lead to inordinate suffering in Ireland. Not to the "capitalist" overlords who you so despise but to normal people, with normal jobs and normal lives.

So we have two choices.

A) Help Ireland, help the Irish people, protect British Jobs, protect British people's savings and earn money for the Government to spend on other things.

Or

B) Walk away from Ireland, damn the Irish people, loose British Jobs, loose British people's savings and loose a fortune in tax revenue leading to even further cuts in public spending.

"I am just explaining to the OP why this is happening"

No, you were giving a very very left wing explanation that didn't give any consideration as to exactly what was happening and what our options are.

And I say that as a leftie myself.

as I say - the choice is capitalism or revolution or put another way socialism or barbarism. Tinker with capitalism all you like (not that anyone is listening to you up there) - these problems are endemic to it. Of course I don't want to see suffering (that is why I want to see the end of capitalism), but your line is like saying keep the tiger alive so it can bite again - because a dead tiger is just so unimaginable.

But we'll never going to agree and I am most surprised to hear you describe yourself as a leftie - reformism versus revolution, I guess - though any room for reforms seem to have disappeared entirely.

telsa dear, do get some help, will you.

I've got plenty thanks.

Don't forget them meds then

This isn't true Capitalism either, true Capitalism would say that the Irish should be left to it and the market will sort itself out.

The Irish know all about this, they've been there before. In the Potato Famine the UK Government, sticking with Capitalist dogma, pretty much refused to intervene.

Thankfully, for both us and the Irish, this Government is actually being far from a strict Capitalist.

"because a dead tiger is just so unimaginable"

Unfortunately the effects of a banking collapse in Ireland on both the Irish and in turn the British people are only too imaginable.

People with mental illness can have intelligent
opinions. You are showing your own ignorance and prejudice with that meds remark.

Indeed - you know some societies have actually accused people who have different opinions to the ruling ones of madness - and then locked them up, along with others deemed 'degenerate'. Just saying.

go wipe that smirky little smile