WW2 Veterans under attack!

[compfan]

I recently read a book called the unknown warriors, which is loads of ww2 veterans memories and what they think of the country now. I found the book fascinating, I looked on the website on the back of the book and found a section where some crimes against the WW2 generation have been recorded from the last couple of years. OMG!!!! All those of that generation deserve a peaceful old age not being terrorised, murdered or raped in their own homes!

From the last few years -
www.theunknownwarriors.co.uk/#/silent-scandal/4531697023

This year
www.theunknownwarriors.co.uk/#/silent-scandal-2010/4538778311

you said folks were brushing this off

we said no, it's dreadful for anyone

I think also what is being said is that crimes are reported much more, hence the apparent increase in the stats

No they don't.

That's why there's no stats suggest a return to the death penalty would work.

BUT in some cases- eg rape, child abuse- the definition of the crime has changed (eg we now consider rape within amrriage a crime), or the reporting mechanisms and societal attitudes have changed- so domestic violence is reported, or child abuse.

Comparing like with like doesn't work with crime rates. There's too much variation in legalese and societal attitudes.

In 1950 Dad was sent out wo work at the age of five; his mum was beaten each day for being a (I quote but apologise) 'useless cripple'- none of them particularly noteworthy at the time.

These days we have much less tolerance of such things, we have avenues for support and escape- hurray for now.

And where did you say any other group should be considered?

its YOU that is living in lalaland thinking pre WW2 had as much crime as today.

FACT

The homicide rate has more than doubled in England and Wales since the mid 1960?s.

SOURCE
House of Commons Library - A Century of Change. Trends in UK statistics since 1900

why are you angry with us?

we agree that no one deserves this

I don't understand what your argument is

[puzzled]

\link{http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2008/12/the_history_of_homicide.html\interesting bbc blog with links} (haven't looked at the links but he's saying that they show that murder rates are roughly what they werein the mid-19th Century

\link{http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=A4mqsik_VDcC&pg=PA46#v=onepage&q&f=false\this that he links to probably most relevant}

OK, a number of the women veterans in the book say that during the war they would have to walk for miles alone at night in the black out through inner cities such as London and Birmingham and felt quite safe doing so, how many of you lot would feel happy to do the same, walking through the inner cities alone after dark for a couple of miles a night, every night now in 2010?

If you would not feel safe to do so then all the stuff you are writing about how today is no worse than years ago is nothing more than theoretical assumptions and hot air.

compfan - what do you make of those tables in my 22.00 link?

Well dont debate then, jog on. Notice you didn't answer the question about walking alone at night. Typical academic, full of self rightous, arrogant waffle.

Inner cities are a tiny snapshot of our country, many of their issues resulting from a form of ghettoisation. Do I feel safe to walk along tehs treets I know- those my own own Welsh town (fdon;t bother picturing hills and valleys, we're more commuter belt and pub laden) or my home town which ahd enough issues to geta few estates (including teh one where I lived) on teh deptrivation inde?

yes, and I always did. I know a women who was raped doing it; equally women were raped pre-war. the difference is that a woman raped now has far more recourse, acceptance and options should she fall pregnat as a result.

As for my link- it's point was to indicate that being anti Islam as a result of this is pointless as many Islamic soldiers (eg from India) fell in the war too.

A side comment before I head to bed now that my boys are finally home-

you talk of homicide

Either youa re American in which case I am not convinced you know how it is to walk down my street at 3am.

Or you watch too much CSi.

I suspect the latter.

Crime stats are reporting trends are a very complex subject, there is little like for like.

Where in any of these posts does it mention Islam, so why post stuff about Islam? All these responses are just PC ramblings and knit picking. HOMICIDE is the word used by the House of Commons research department, perhaps you should contact them and lecture them about watching to much CSI, (despite it being an English word.)And while your onto them have a debate with them about their statistic that HOMICIDE has doubled in the UK since the 1960s.

it may have doubled - but it's back to mid 19th century levels........or are you going to ignore the links that I provided??

From the article: 'For England, the risk of homicide falls from 1.7 (in the 1840s) to 0.7 (mid-20th Century) and back up again as we approach the present day. The Scottish data is even more pronounced - falling from 2.9 down to 0.7 and then rising to a level equivalent to the mid-19th Century.'

So it did fall, and now it's back up again? I would have thought, given the improvement in conditions since the 1840s, this is not a good trend.

This isn't in AIBU, by the way.

yes - but the OP is claiming that there wasn't as much crime in "ye olde days" - when blatantly there was - especially murder (just look at the charts!)

I think the OP seemed to take her point a bit far, but it does seem that crime has increased since the mid-20th century. And it's being horrible to think of war veterans as victims doesn't mean it's not horrible when it happens to anyone else.Does it? I didn't read the OP as saying that.

The OP is just full of anger. It doesn't matter what any of us say, we will be met with "jog on", "Typical academic, full of self rightous, arrogant waffle", "its YOU that is living in lalaland".

Don't feed her. She is convinced in her "knowledge" about this issue and will continue to believe she is right, regardless of what everyone else posts.

Sorry but I am unhelpfully laughing at knit-picking

V V funny

As you were

The number of recorded crimes has increased.

This doesn't mean the number of crimes have actually increased just that more people have reported it.

That's an interesting thought taken in conjunction with the 'would you report rape' thread where the overwhelming majority have said 'no'. I mean, it doesn't prove anything one way or the other.

I was talking with a 90 year old lady today and told her about this online discussion. She was less than impressed and laughed when I told her how a lot of comments were adamant crime was as bad back in her youth than it is today. She said 'stupid women, where they there, they haven't got a clue what this country used to be like in those days. How do they know they wern't even there?'

'Where in any of these posts does it mention Islam, so why post stuff about Islam?

Wasn;t PC warblings it was confusion with teh poppy thread that I was also posting on LOL- easily done.