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£25,000 benefits cap

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Xenia · 05/10/2010 06:48

Average family has £26,000 to live on including housing. So from 2013 the most benefits available for one family will be £26,000 including housing benefit. Sounds like a sensible plan. Well done George Osborne. How did we ever get to a contrary position in the first place?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11463435

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Xenia · 05/10/2010 23:07

This thread filled up today whilst I was out earning a crust.

Anyway it seems a good idea to cap benefits like this.

I also of course love it that women might be encouraged to throw off the shackles of being a housewife because of the loss of child benefit. Anything which makes you much worse off if you stay home and mind a child as a woman is to be encouraged. The more women we get out there ensuring better equality the better. Well done Cameron.

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CRAZYCREW · 05/10/2010 23:13

You klnow my daughter who is only 17 and has a baby sone works qs a train ee nurse.. she does three full days soemtims shift work, college 2 days and hse hets £100 a week as on an apprcitce ship but her boyfriends girlfreind does not work neither does her partner and they have no intention of her doing so. there was a new tesco open in the town and when suggested she looks for part time work she said she would never work though (although my other does while at uni)
This girl has money for nights outs, nails etc and does nothing but my daughter wants to better herslef for herslf and son. Her son is very ill too... it is wrong honestly that they can do nothing and something has to change...
i beleive we should put more money into educating these things... maybe

Xenia · 05/10/2010 23:21

That's what they are trying to change.

Long term your daughter will do best, much better than those others. I worked full time when I had babies i my early 20s and in my 40s I'm pretty well off solely because of all that.

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MaMoTTaT · 05/10/2010 23:50

Loudlass - it could be (well probably as as afaik all areas now use the LHA for new claims).

It might be worth checking the LHA rate for your area \link{https://lha-direct.voa.gov.uk/Secure/Default.aspx\here} and running the figures through entitled.com to. Just to see if the amount you're currently getting is more or less than what you'd get on LHA.

nappyaddict · 06/10/2010 01:00

mamottat I know families with 4 DC who get about that. There was a family on TV the other week who got a lot more. I'm not sure but I think it was about 27000. They had 6 DC.

sweetjane1 · 06/10/2010 02:28

Where are all these jobs everyone supposed to be doing. There are no jobs for graduates or school leavers, we're all supposed to work till we're 95 years old, and now even the unemployed are gonna be in on the act. BUT there are no jobs out there and soon there'll be even fewer when the cuts set in. The idea that the good old private sector will rescue us all is a joke. We all know that the jobs they might eventually create will be minimum wages, poor terms and conditions, general exploitation. The money which used to go into fair wages, pensions, holidays for people working in the public sector will now all be funnelled to Boards of Directors and shareholders. The rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. Ra Ra Ra

Xenia · 06/10/2010 06:55

There will be workfare for those who cannot find jobs and those who work (most of us) will feel that is fairer - that no one should have a handout without at least working for it in some capacity.

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SanctiMoanyArse · 06/10/2010 07:18

Nobody Xenia?

I don't care if I repeat myself: my agenda is as valiud as yours (that women should not be the only chidlcares)

What precisely would ds3 do, exactly, what with his three minute attention span?

(One day on MN people will elarn to clarify themselves. then othes who dont know much about SN will join anew and will read an consider and the word will spread and....... )

sarah293 · 06/10/2010 07:22

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HeftyNorks · 06/10/2010 07:24

Go Riven Grin

Workfare is a horrendous idea.

sarah293 · 06/10/2010 07:26

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Soixante · 06/10/2010 07:52

I can't understand what the Child Benefit fuss is about... when the children go to school both parents should work - why are women still staying at home when the kids are out all day - and what do mothers do when they are at home six hours a day?

And why are people relying on a benefit? I could only afford to have one child so I had one child - I didn't have three in the hope I could have benefits from the government.

I think it's time the mumsy stuff stopped and we all went to work to earn a living rather than relying on coffee mornings, government handouts and the gym!

sarah293 · 06/10/2010 08:00

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2shoes · 06/10/2010 08:19

they don't exist riven, people like us with our "defective" offspring are just kept down so the likes of Xenia can look down their noses at us.
I would like to see the better off "suffer" more, they are so quick to whinge when I might just affect them and they might not be able to pay the cleaner!!!
and notice that someone always use a comparison to someone they deem to be milking the system, but they never have all the facts.

2shoes · 06/10/2010 08:21

thank you mn hq for reconsidering and deleting that vile post.

MaMoTTaT · 06/10/2010 08:55

hey - you know what- they don't even have to introduce a workfare scheme - they can just expand the existing community service thing to include all those claiming benefits. They can work alongside the criminals. And companies would love it - would give them a much bigger range of people to have working for them for free.

Childcare for those doing the community service could be provided for by others on community service

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SanctiMoanyArse · 06/10/2010 08:56

OK then 2shoes and riven meet you at Soixante's with teh kids for an 8am frop off OK?

Soixante, I think with the Sn tehre you might want to prpare... Riv's needs constantc are, 2shoe's daughter is odler but in a chair, my ds1 is very aggressivce so you have to supervise him constantly but you woudln;t want him close ot Riv's dd without an adult epr child (and the adult might get harmed so make sure your insurance is +++++, likewise your household insiurance- he bashed through a wall here once, well in the last house). DS3 is fine but needs constant communication help, watching all the time and IIRC each of teh kids needs a very different dirt.

Okey doke Grin?

To be fair, I never had any of my kids relying on a banefit; I won't lose out either becuase caring reeduces your chances of being in that tax band hugely (doesn#t prevent, but reduces). But life can sometimes stink and it throws you off course and be honest- if your child was hit by a bus or you were, could you cope financially?

Plus the very basic there aren't enough jobs. Oh go and make one people say: well, dh does have his own (very small) business that he's growing and it's not easy in a recession, hardly ideal tiome unless you#re selling debt or repo solutions! And it grts as basic as a lot of people can't work from a privately rented home or cannot raise the capital due to the banking crunch.

now, if you rewally want to help women work, campaign on those, or the lack of flexible childcare for shifts and SN.

Don't just blame though; I was a charity manager before ASD came and bit us. Higher wage than any of my friends.

AS for teh mumsy benefits (WTF? Are tehre no SAD's in your world?) which ones precisely, may I ask?

roundthebend4 · 06/10/2010 09:06

can i drop mine of at Soixante's to please , hmm hope you good with non verbal childing and hows you bottom wipping skills and please make sure its all acessiable .Now ds can kinda feed himself but tends to be messy so wipe down surfaces including yourself

very easy for people to say work but till your in that postion dont judge me and notice Xeina shouting of yet she is not going to be affected at all , can i ask did you claim Cb

SanctiMoanyArse · 06/10/2010 09:08

The did you claim question is excellent RTB

We are entitled to council tax benefit yet we don't claima s we can get by without if we tighten the belts.

You have to be poor to get CTB.

So really people moralising when many must have claimed in the first place....

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MrsTittleMouse · 06/10/2010 09:09

It sounds generally sensible. I personally know people who are on benefits as a lifestyle decision and who think that people who work are "mugs". Angry We really need to get away from that mindset as we just can't afford it as a country.

However families with disabilities should be exempt. They absolutely deserve all the help that they can get.

MaMoTTaT · 06/10/2010 09:14

oh yes it's a fabulous lifestyle Hmm

roundthebend4 · 06/10/2010 09:16

come how many of you have claimed Cb when you dont really need it , when you spend more than that on designer goods or a meal out once a month or give your dc more than that in allowance

Adjusts halo to sit better on my horns

MaMoTTaT · 06/10/2010 09:18

when exH was working when we just had DS1 and 2 (before the business cock-up) althoug he wasn't on a huge wage (around 20k) we didn't really need it. But we continued to claim.

roundthebend4 · 06/10/2010 09:23

mamottat

thank you for being honest though am thinking at £20 k yours was still within a normal wage im thinking of those who earning higher

MaMoTTaT · 06/10/2010 09:28

oh Grin. Well we were lucky mortgage wasn't huge, we had no other debts at the time, just lucky really that we had no masiive out goings that swallowed up the money so able to enjoy a few frivolities in life.