No family on benefits will be able to claim more welfare than the averge wage

[lucky1979]

EXCLUDING those with disabilities.

Quote from The Times:
?So I can announce today that we will announce a limit on the total amount of welfare any one family can receive,? he says ? set on the principle that no family should get more on benefits than the average family does for going out to work. ?Money for families that need it but not more than families that go out to to work. That?s what we think is fair.?

I agree in principle, but not sure how it will be applied, or really how many people it will effect - I suspect the biggest knock on will be for housing benefit but would be interested in more indepth figures to see if it's just a headline measure and how much saving it will actually make.

But it is only for a small amount of time isn't it? Some people on benefits see it as a long term thing. I was working full time before I had kids and paid lots in tax and national insurance, I have a 6 and 4 year old and am working 20 hours a week and claiming some child care costs back.

When they are older I will go back to working full time and pay my own way again. the problem is those years where childcare costs are bigger than a single person's wages but it is not forever and I certainly feel better when I am working and contributing to society even if I am not much better off and costing the government more. I was on jobseekers allowance for 7 weeks once and hated every moment of it!

Will you stay on benefits just because you are costing the government less? Seems odd to me that that would even cross your mind.

but that's the thing Captain Kirks Nipples - it could be for a long time - some people get stuck in minimum wage/low paid jobs for life.

Even if you take out the child care costs and they didn't give me anything for that it would still only be £50 a week less they'd be giving me than they give me now.

Obviously the personal perks for working a great, but as the country is supposed to be cutting a massive deficit getting everyone back into work isn't really going to make a difference is it on a national level.

of course I won't stay on benefits longer because I'll cost them less.

But one of the things that I've been looking forward to when I do start earning again was not getting so many handouts to be able to live. You know I was going to be less of a "scrounger"

But actually it's going to be just the same amount - just coming with a different name attached.

but the goverment payuing you to work will save them in the long run - as when you chidlren have become adults then you will have a work ethic and continue to work, the chidl care element will og down when chidlren reach school age and your dc will see a parent that works day to day rahter then watch a parnet stay at home and think this is what they will do.

Overall assisting soemone to work will increas ethe chances of thier chidlren doing the same, whereas if the parnet styas at hoem, the chidlren are more likely not to see work as a way of life

I think that is what I was trying to say ivy, just not very clearly! Frantically ebaying things at the same time as posting is not working for me!

fair enough - (although a single person working a 40hr week on minimum wage would get £40 in benefits still - more if they live somewhere rent is higher).

But that doesn't help cut the deficit now as my youngest is only just 3

And I suppose it's a good way of making sure that the Tory south is rid of all of those annoying people on benefits - force them all to move elsewhere as their benefits wouldn't cover their housing

TBH - I think this is rather like the £400 a week cap on Housing benefit thing they were spouting about.

Only a very very small number of people actually get that sort of amount in HB anyhow, so it was all done just to look big and clever and look like they were "doing something about it"

Apparently, according to the Times, it's approx 50,000 families, mainly SE based.

Costed to save 425 million by 2014/15

Both hubby and I are self employed and are always shocked by what people on benefits can get. Because our business makes a profit we are not entitled to any tax credits even taking into consideration that we draw a small wage, we class ourselves are good harding working, working class with lust for life and what to achieve but Childcare kills us. We also employ so we highly contribute to the health and wealth of this country.

I have no idea how this is going to work as this benefit system has become inherant in too many families. You see stories about claiming families on £44k pa tax free (what would that be in annual salary £70K pa???).

Men on sick for lifetime, unemployed for 10years plus, sick pay, constant breeding. There should be more rules to stop this culture.

At the end of the day benefits are a short solution not a life style. If these people cant find a job then they should travel or retrain. Every year these people should get less (sliding scale) because I can see stories now of how they are on the bread line on their £25,000pa (tax free)with their sky TV, fags, overeating, alcohol misuse etc.

Giving these people a good income from benefits is no incentive and why should the lower incomes see this easy system?

I see and hear excuses for every reason under the sun why they cant do this and that.

Personally I won't lose anything with this new legislation (well perhaps my job as I am a civil servant!) I earn £900 a onth take home and claim £380 in benefits - I'm not entitled to anything else. The family across the road however make me sick - both don't work, claim benefits get everything paid for them and their five kids and even after this law comes in they will still be earning more than me a month. They want to give their children a "good start" in life with both parents there to look after them! The kids are at school all day and she swans around in her pyjamas until 3pm. What a lovely example to set!

before tax or after tax?

It'a limit. Very few families on benefits get that amount of money. What it will do is stop the drip-drip of stories about people getting 'vast' sums in benefits.
The 'incentive to work' will come from the benefit reforms that are yet to be announced in detail.

"I think this government has forgotten that a very large proportion of low income workers also claim benefits,"

I think they choose to forget it, it's easier to let the general public believe that all those on benefits are work shy scroungers.

"Men on sick for lifetime, unemployed for 10years plus, sick pay, constant breeding."

Constant breeding? You talk like they are animals!

so everyone with kids will be on the average wage - why bother working then if it will be given out?

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Everyone should be interested as more chnges are coming, and you'll want them to be administered fairly, so speak up for yourself and others now.

This is fair for families without disabilites to contend with - and it's absurd that benefits were ever allowed to exceed the average wage.