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Government facing judicial review over budget discrimination against women

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edam · 01/08/2010 12:59

Fawcett Society are seeking a judicial review of the budget as the government didn't do a gender impact assessment, which is apparently a legal requirement.

Ruddy well done that Society as far as I'm concerned. Do hope they get their review!

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pinkteddy · 01/08/2010 15:23

Yes just spotted this on Guardian website and was looking to see the mumsnet take on it and found your thread.

I think we probably have Yvette Cooper to thank for this as IIRC she did the first report showing the disproportionate affect the budget would have on women. Pity she isn't standing for labour leader!

jenny60 · 01/08/2010 22:29

Thrilled to see this. Am a very proud member of Fawcett today.

Stretch · 01/08/2010 22:31

It's really good, but now the idiot men are coming out of the woodwork.

"Women will be hit harder than men because they receive more free handouts than men. Men's groups should launch an action against the government for forcing them to subsidise women."

FFS!

edam · 01/08/2010 23:13

ooh, replies, thought this was dying!

pink, yes, it was Yvette who did the research (or got the Commons Library to do the research).

Stretch, that idiot is probably just angry at womankind because none of us would dream of going anywhere near him with a barge pole...

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Stretch · 01/08/2010 23:15

oh yes!

It's the sheer hate and ignorance that gets me.

AbricotsSecs · 01/08/2010 23:42

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belledechocolatefluffybunny · 01/08/2010 23:51

Am reading, hold on.

belledechocolatefluffybunny · 01/08/2010 23:55

I see, so cuts in the public sector are going to affect women because most of the jobs affected (dinner ladies, home helps etc) are women as these are the jobs that work around the school day? Is this right?

Stretch · 02/08/2010 00:11

I think so belle. Also, women like me who are SAHM and DHs go to work will also lose tc and Chb.

Stretch · 02/08/2010 00:14

Not that i object to going to work etc.. needs must.... but they are removing a lot of jobs that mothers esp. do.

TAs are on the line as well? Also, my mums job in a nursery will be under threat next contract (next year). How will they be able to run the nursery?

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belledechocolatefluffybunny · 02/08/2010 00:14

But it's not down to the government itself what services the local governments axe/reduce. Costs do have to be cut somewhere, the government have not dictated to the local authorities to slash 10% off the school dinners bills etc.

Callisto · 02/08/2010 08:15

Ok, so while I object to any cuts that disproportionately affect women, can someone explain how to rectifye this?

Tax credits (a terrible idea anyway imo - just tax less rather than taking away to give back) are unsustainable and need to be reduced; unemployment benefits are unsustainable and need to be reduced; public sector bureaucracy is out of control and needs to be reduced. So how to do it without affecting women so much? It's always going to affect one group more than the rest because, no matter how fair you want it to be, it's impossible to actually get it level for all. So the very worst off will be cushioned, but the slightly less worse off and the medium badly off will also take a hit. The middle classes (for want of a better term) will be hit very hard, but they can take it and the rich will be more or less unaffected, purely because they have so much money.

So, what is the answer? The cuts need to be made, we are deeply in the shit and we are all going to feel the pain to a certain degree.

Hoochie - that's the worst consipracy theory I've ever heard.

Callisto · 02/08/2010 08:18

Also, why do public sector job cuts affect women more than men? I can't see that overall there are less women in the private sector, or are there and if so why?

edam · 02/08/2010 08:22

Call - first issue is that the government is required by law to carry out a gender impact assessment and hasn't bothered. That tells us an awful lot about the coalition - don't forget one of their very first priorities was anonymity for accused rapists. Bizarre given we are constantly told how we are in financial crisis - you'd have thought they'd have been a bit busy with that. And I don't remember it featuring in any manifesto OR being mentioned in the PM's debates.

Second issue is that there are lots of apparently quite clever people in the Treasury who would probably come up with some mitigating measures if anyone was interested or could be bothered.

I have some sympathy with your view on tax credits but I haven't seen any pledges to reduce tax in line with reductions in credits. oddly enough.

Unemployment benefit is £65 a week for a single person which is hardly unsustainable. That's an ideological point of view, not an unbiased fact.

Cuts in the public sector could be designed in such a way they don't damage women especially. Or at least they could make the attempt.

TAs are valuable and important, fat cat bankers ain't. We know fat cat bankers are shit at their jobs, why aren't they getting the sack? The chief execs and directors who got us into this mess are still there. The bonuses are still being paid - out of taxpayer's money, the same taxpayers who are facing the sack!

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Callisto · 02/08/2010 11:52

I should imagine the govt 'forgot' rather than knew about it and thought 'sod it, let's not bother'. It will be down to lack of communication between the civil servant mandarins (is that what they're called) and the politicians probably. The rape thing was bizarre and came out of nowhere, but has thankfully been dropped. I don't believe that either half of the coalition is anti-women or fundamentally sexist.

To be fair to the Treasury, they had to come up with a workable emergency budget in a couple of months, having had no access to the actual figures before then. Of course there will be rough edges, but also it is flexible and can be changed around a bit as there is more time to consider how things are affecting people.

It would be very difficult to reduce taxes, but the personal tax allowance threshold has been raised which equates to a kind of tax cut for people who don't earn much in the first place.

It's not the amount of benefit that claimants receive, it's the number of claimants receiving it plus the cost of admin and the complexity of the benefits system that is the problem. £65 isn't much per week, though plenty of people in work with huge mortgages probably have the same or less to spend on food and clothes. I think my point is that there are too many people reliant on welfare and who view it as their right. Rather than using it as a safety net while they find another job. I realise that the system does not make it easy, but ideologically, we should be trying to get everyone who can work, back to work. It make for a much healthier community and society when unemployment is low.

Public sector cuts are not designed to single out women for all of the pain. On the other hand, why should women be particularly shielded from cuts? It is just as likely that the men who lose their jobs have families to provide for too so why should women be protected?

I agree that TA's are vastly more valuable to society that bankers. However, banking is private sector. The government can regulate but can't interfere beyond this (I don't include Northern Rock in this btw). The money given to banks is being paid back and plenty of bonuses are paid out to the front line cannon fodder of cashiers who have worked hard for small reward. Of course the big bonuses to the big players are sickening. But they were contracted to earn these sorts of bonuses before the crash, employment law would probably overrule any government interference here.

I don't know what the answer is to the rich-poor divide. Labour only made things worse during their seemingly endless tenure with all of their hideous social engineering. Maybe a bit of small goverment and a new feeling of social responsibility will start to reverse things.

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ProfessorLaytonIsMyLoveSlave · 02/08/2010 12:04

Good on the Fawcett Society. I doubt much good will actually come of it, but it's worth reminding the government that being in government does come with certain responsibilities attached. I didn't know a gender impact assessment was a legal requirement until the FS kicked up a stink about it, I will admit .

jenny60 · 02/08/2010 12:33

The Conservatives opposed this legislation when it was being debated. Not sure what the Lib Dems' stand was. It was Harriet Harman who really pushed for it. Why isn't she standing for party leader?

ProfessorLaytonIsMyLoveSlave · 02/08/2010 12:35

You'd think they'd have remembered that they'd lost and the legislation had been passed, really...

Stretch · 02/08/2010 14:42

Callisto, they didn't 'forget' that women/mothers had a large voting clout in the election, they tried hard to woo us. They 'forgot' to put any women into the main cabinet.

Why can't half the coilition be anti-women or sexist?? Wouldn't surprise me at all.

Stretch · 02/08/2010 14:44

ffs, coalition, ykwim!

PrincessFiorimonde · 02/08/2010 15:03

Really interesting; thanks for highlighting this. Though, as a side point, can't help noting how deeply depressing it is that so many women are in such low-paid jobs.

ISNT · 02/08/2010 15:15

hoochie I totally agree about a lot of this being ideologically driven.

The speed and extent of reforms being announced is just terrifying, and some of the policies utterly bizarre. I think that they know there is very little chance of them getting re-elected (the tories I'm talking here - whether as a single party or in coalition) and they are driving through as many changes purely for idealogical reasons as quickly as possible so that they are done and in place before the next election, and therefore very difficult/impossible for successive govts to undo.

The reforms for the NHS are enormous, totally changing the entire rules, scope, management of the NHS, privatising vast swathes of it. Which will cost a bomb to implement, why are they doing it? Because they want the profitable sections of the NHS privatised so their mates can make plenty of cash.

Plus stuff like the rape anonimity laws - which came from nowhere and certainly demonstrate a fundamental idea that men are very very important, and protecting them is paramount even if at the cost of many many more women. Which is what this budget does, isn't it, thinking about it.

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