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What news site do you use now BBC News has gone all retro looking?

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Quality · 27/07/2010 09:04

I hate what they have done to the BBC News site, it's all wrong, the links have wandered off and left big gaps down teh side asnd I Don't Like It.

So what site do you use for UK, WOrld and local news?

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Kaloki · 27/07/2010 12:16

Google news mostly

scurryfunge · 27/07/2010 12:19

I don't like the news site....I like to choose local news for different areas across the country and it seems to be a bit fragmented now.

OrientCalf · 27/07/2010 12:27

i still use it - it doesn't really bother me

was in USA recently though and was to see a banner ad across the top of the bbc homepage - not used to that at all

ISNT · 27/07/2010 12:39

I hate it too and have been wondering the same thing!

stripeyknickersspottysocks · 27/07/2010 12:40

sky news

WetAugust · 27/07/2010 19:53

The Beed site is now awful. I go to Channel 4 news

NetworkGuy · 28/07/2010 07:28

I use NewsNow.co.uk

I tend not to use it for 'local' news and really concentrate on Technology news, but whether you're interested in current affairs, politics, or sport, there are major sections and then more detailed sub-sections, and there is a search option (but unless you pay a subscription, only a single word can be used - OK sometimes for a city (but often I find too much rubbish like football team news) or business name, or even some celebrity.

Without doing anything it will just update every few minutes and shows the latest headlines in many subject areas.

RustyBear · 28/07/2010 07:35

I use the BBC News mobile site on iPad now for quick checks, Guardian online for more in-depth reading.

whoopstheregoesmymerkin · 28/07/2010 07:37

glad it's not just me, it used to be my home page but have taken it off - too much going on, have to scroll down too far to see anything and finding your local news and weather is a complete faff.
will look at the alternative suggestions

whoopstheregoesmymerkin · 28/07/2010 07:40

glad it's not just me, it used to be my home page but have taken it off - too much going on, have to scroll down too far to see anything and finding your local news and weather is a complete faff.
will look at the alternative suggestions

PfftTheMagicDragon · 28/07/2010 07:45

I still use it - you'll get used to it.

I initially bristled against it, but really - things change, y'know!

NetworkGuy · 28/07/2010 07:49

OrientCalf - as they mentioned on the blog, BBC Worldwide uses adverts on the foreign versions to add income. It does seem a bit "out of character" if you are used to seeing it all advert free over here. However, I think with the number of trails they do for different shows, even on the hour and half hour within some news shows (PM, Today), the "advert free" aspect is a bit thin.

Especially the ones about how to pay the licence fee (without mentioning some of the options cost more than others - the fact that some take 50% of the money before the 'year' for which you are paying and some methods have a 'handling fee' of about a fiver a quarter for the privilege of paying by DD!)

I also wonder about some of the shows on R4 as to whether half the cost is paid from licence fee and the other half by the Foreign Office (which funds BBC World Service) because there are things like "In Business" which go out on both services!

NetworkGuy · 28/07/2010 07:52

Some of my older clients still use their PCs with screen resolutions set to 800 x 600 so the BBC 'extra wide' pages are a real pain.

Most just ignore the BBC website now, feel they are 'shut out' by the "young, city, gadget crowd" as a glance at the photo on the Have Your Say page shows a mobile, DAB radio, and widescreen laptop... all gadgets that someone still running Windows 98 (happily, I might add) and with not the greatest eyesight (hence 800 x 600) or income (pensions) feel are out of reach.

Ilythia · 28/07/2010 07:58

Pfft, we are like grumpy old women I know, but it just seems so weird, I have over an inch gap of blank spaced down each side of the site and all the links are right at the top and tiny, whereas before they were on the side and bigger so it was easier to click them on my phone.
I am a grump, but it is a silly change which has made it harder to read, so sod them!

OrientCalf · 28/07/2010 09:25

NG I knew about the worldwide stuff being different (after all they don't pay the licence fee abroad), but as you say it's a surprise when you're not used to it

ShatnersBassoon · 28/07/2010 09:30

Still BBC. I prefer the new layout.

southeastastra · 28/07/2010 09:31

i dont mind the new site, people fuss about the most mundane things

nearlytoolate · 28/07/2010 09:34

I am addicted to my guardian iphone app.

profscooter · 28/07/2010 09:42

I think they've gone too far with the white space, most of the interesting stuff is several scrolls down, compared to the front page of thetimes.co.uk for example. Plane crash lead story this morning for example on BBC has acres of empty space next to photo, whereas the "more from BBC News" section further down is laid out much better.

NetworkGuy · 28/07/2010 19:11

They "try out" all sorts of things at the BBC. Not sure, however much I read their blogs, if I've ever seen them document a 5 year plan, as they change chunks from time to time and beta test things, then after a while just scrap them!

They've done things like experiment with streaming video of some of the radio programmes from R2, R4, R5, and then never gone further with them.

No wonder the web site budget went 125 million over budget a year or two back... sounds like a bunch of geeks playing with fancy toys because there was no-one to stop them.

giraffesCanDanceInTheSun · 28/07/2010 19:17

I don't like the new bbc site, really annoys me, looks all odd.

TrillianAstra · 28/07/2010 19:19

Still use BBC News. I figure I have a good few decades of internet-using ahead of me, if I can'tt cope with layout changes now I'm stuffed.

NetworkGuy · 29/07/2010 13:06

It goes further than just layout changes, though. Please don't think me a Luddite - I'm not totally against change, I just want to see that when changes are made, improvements are made, and if views of users are not totally in support, that there is acceptance of feedback and if criticisms are made, for a body not to just "shut the book" and say "you've had your say, we're not changing, that's just tough".

Web pages (more than anything else apart from the adaptability of nature) are meant to be usable by anyone, without limiting the "audience" by using technologies (software) or having expectations of the viewer's facilities.

If you see any site with "best viewed with Internet Explorer at 1024 x 768" or required some plug-in (which may not be available on a Mac, for example) then it's limiting.

Screen width / resolution is an individual preference / machine limitation. I cannot make my little old iMac display pages of 1280 x 1024 (and never will) so a change that makes the user experience poor should be deplored.

What's happened, (I think) is that the growth in use of 15" and 17" laptops has meant that people in the media feel the need to fill the space, just as a newspaper would do if they went to a broadsheet format.

With the web, pages ought to adapt to cope with wide or narrow screens. Sometimes one needs to limit the width of columns of text (once you exceed about 100 characters, it becomes less readable for most people, because the eye starts to jump to a line above or below). Below 50 characters and one starts having big gaps because there will be some longer words which would need to be broken, and just get placed on the next line, leading to wider spacing (if a column is 'justified' to give clear left and right edges).

It strikes me that the BBC people like to maintain their employability by trying out alternative ideas even when the design that is in place works well and is popular with users. Yes, one needs an "open mind" but I'm more "open" to change when it improves readability and has some logic behind it. Sure, the BBC management will pull out justification for making changes, but if even 10% find the "improvement" makes usability worse, then the BBC has staff failing in their jobs. It gets to a point where I'm thinking it is "change for change sake" and undesirable.

I had not been a regular viewer of the news pages, nor "Have Your Say" as I felt their method of pre-moderation of most topics was handled badly and caused major backlogs. Perhaps the need for keeping within budget has slashed the number of staff (no doubt most are at the lowest levels of salary!) and they're perhaps doing things differently now...

BBC news item "UK 'misled' on broadband speeds, says Ofcom report" (in Technology News).

OK, so they cover the story. They asked for comments (form no longer displayed). They don't have a link to the damn comments though.

I hunted down the 'Have Your Say' web page and yes, at present, there is a link from it to the comments about speed problems page.

In the past there might have been a couple of hundred comments, maybe even a thousand, on something where feelings ran high (like wars, deaths, and so on).

Here, there are around a dozen comments shown. Perhaps a good, representative "cross-section" of views (mostly from unhappy users, with some exceptions - sorry, glanced, did not closely view, was interested to see the low number that were permitted).

NetworkGuy · 29/07/2010 13:13

Just noticed the lines of text visible on my screen at present are close to 160 columns. However, plenty of breaks between paragraphs (or in some cases, sentences) allow the text not to become too unreadable.

Apologies for those who think I write far too much - I do tend not to stop when I have strong views!

Kaloki · 29/07/2010 20:28

Agrees with NetworkGuy, usability/accessibility is definitely not a strong point with the new website.

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