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We swapped our cleaning chores

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Gabitule · 05/03/2025 09:58

This thread is about how to share household chores fairly. I must warn you that it's going to be a long message.

I live with my ex bf in my house. No children. We broke up a couple of years ago but have continued to live together as we get on well and I prefer to live with him than some random lodger (as I couldn't afford to live on my own). He also prefers to live with me as he pays as much as a lodger renting a room but he shares the house with just me, stores his stuff in the loft, etc. We both benefit from living together as we both acknowledge this. We carry out household chores in the same way we did it when we were together.
I do all the house cleaning and most of the gardening. I also do all the little tasks that need doing but most men don't notice - e.g cleaning the birds bath, watering indoors and outdoors plant pots, sweeping the patio, etc etc
He fills and empties the dishwasher (80% of the time, but he doesn't clean the sink when he puts the dirty dishes in the dishwasher and he doesn't hand wash things that can't go in the dishwasher so I end up doing that). He takes the bins out (which takes a few mins each week). He does most of the food shopping (we pay 50/50). He does the occasional weeding or watering in the garden.

I feel like I'm always doing more than him as house-cleaning can take a few hours a fortnight with top-ups throughout the week either cleaning the bathroom, hoovering the kitchen, cleaning the kitchen surfaces and so on. Gardening in the warm seasons can take aaages, but he argues that it's my choice to have a lush garden and to grow vegetables. I can't argue with that - although he does enjoy eating my vegetables. He also argues that the house doesn't need to be this clean whilst I argue that I don't want to live in a pigsty. Just to say that the house is not immaculate but it is clean and tidy- that's how I like to live and I expect anyone who shares my home to live by the same standards, otherwise they can move out.

I've been complaining about spending more time on house-chores than him and I wanted him to show some gratitude and appreciation. Instead, he argued that he is the one who spends more time on housework than me! I felt quite upset by this. In the summer months I can spend most of the weekend cleaning and gardening. So I suggested swapping our housework tasks, so we can see exactly how the other feels. He'd do the cleaning. I'd do the bins, dishwasher and lawnmowing. I'd continue doing other all the other random bits that need doing but he never sees. So not entirely a complete swap. Gardening also remains my responsibility because a 'lodger' wouldn't be expected to do any gardening. I suggested giving it a few months to see the full impact. I was convinced that after a few weeks he'd apologise, admit that my job is harder than his, and ask to swap back. This was a few months ago...

Once I started doing his tasks I could see that he did use spend a bit more time on his chores than I anticipated but I remain convinced that his old job is easier than mine. Taking the bins out does require remembering bin day but it only takes a few minutes to perform the action. Loading and unloading the dishwasher is not the most fun job, but I tend to do it in the morning while I wait for the kettle to boil, unlike him who needs to allocate separate time for this tasks (he just sits there staring at the kettle while he's waiting for it to boil). Food shopping can be time consuming, but useful as it means I get to stretch my legs on my way to the shop after a day of work. Plus I can always do online shopping. I haven't done any lawn mowing yet but this is only going to be a few times a year.

His experience of doing my old cleaning tasks started of well. In the first weekend he managed to clean the kitchen and hoover on a Saturday (with lots of tea breaks between each tiny task). On Sunday he cleaned the bathroom. No time for dusting or wiping marks off surfaces, but I guess it didn't really need doing on that first week. During the following week I had to remind him to keep the kitchen surfaces clean and to hoover the kitchen... I had some success with that. The following weekend he did the dusting. A bit more hoovering. Mopped the kitchen floor... No time for much else...We carried on like this for a while with me regularly having to help with the cleaning as I had people over for dinner etc. It's now several months later and other cleaning tasks which are carried out occasionally have became overdue. For example - cleaning the fridge, oven, microwave, wiping the kitchen cupboard doors, cleaning inside some kitchen cupboards, cleaning windows, cleaning the tiles by the cooker or sink, changing the filter from the cooker's extractor, cleaning floor corners (because dirt really shows when one simply mops or hoovers only the middle of a room for an extended period of time). If I point any of these 'bigger' tasks out he does one of them per week, but it takes him an entire day, so he does none of the regular cleaning that week.

In conclusion, whilst his old chores get done by me, my old cleaning chores don't get done properly by him! I have to constantly tell him which things need cleaning (as he just doesn't ''see'' the the dirt, he often blames his eyesight or glasses which is just hilarious). I'd ask ''have you cleaned the bathroom sink? ''. ''Yes'' would come his reply, when i can see clearly that all he'd done was wipe the tap . He insists that he is doing the cleaning and that his old tasks were definitely harder than mine, and that we should continue with the swap.

We've reached an impasse and I don't know how to resolve it. I don't want to suggest getting a cleaner because he won't cover the entire cost and I don't want to spend money on a cleaner just because he won't pull his weight. I guess I want him to acknowledge that cleaning can be hard work and time consuming, that I do more than him, and to offer to help me with bits and bobs for e.g sweeping the patio or wiping the kitchen surfaces without having to be 'nagged' by me to do it.

It would be good to know how you share housework and if you think I'm being unfair in my assessment.

OP posts:
stayathomegardener · 05/03/2025 10:17

He doesn't see the dirt or need the cleaning to be to your standards so the swap is never going to work.

It's almost impossible to complete regular domestic tasks to someone else's requirements unless micromanaged.
Tricky one x

CanOfMangoTango · 05/03/2025 10:20

Ask him to pay more rent & use it to pay for a cleaner.

HowardTJMoon · 05/03/2025 10:27

He's cleaning to the standard that he thinks is sufficient. If that's not acceptable to you then kick him out.

SpringIsSpringing25 · 05/03/2025 10:33

It was a stupid idea! He was never going to clean to your standard!

I think you need to decide how you'd feel if he moved out compared to how you feel about doing the cleaning he doesn't do.

IMO you're including quite a few things I wouldn't expect a lodger to do, but I understand he's getting some benefits a lodger might not (although if I had a lodger and space in my loft allowing them to store stuff in it seems just normal, not a special benefit).

maybe you need to look at why you have chosen not to be together, but I still choosing to live together if you really look at that are there any answers there??

SpringIsSpringing25 · 05/03/2025 10:34

I don't think many people will be able to answer your question of how they share the housework because the way one shares it with a spouse is generally not the way one would share it with a lodger and you seem to be some hybrid that not many people have

Beebsta · 05/03/2025 10:49

I think your arrangement has run its course. Time to ask him to move on and find someone with compatible cleaning standards.

Eyesopenwideawake · 05/03/2025 10:51

This mirrors an article in today's Guardian;

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2025/mar/05/i-feel-like-im-on-holiday-inside-our-week-long-mental-load-marriage-swap

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 05/03/2025 10:54

My mother used to have an 'eagle eye' for dirt. I was always being called back to tidy, dust, hoover something that she didn't perceive as done to her standards. I genuinely could NOT see what she was pointing at. I'd be getting 'there! There, look at that! Do that again!' and I would dutifully do it again although I had absolutely no bloody idea which molecules were out of line on that particular occasion.

In short, OP, not everyone has the same standards. You either live with yours or you live with his.

Gabitule · 05/03/2025 15:21

Thank you all.

I apreciate people have different standards of cleaning but failing to clean the cooker, fridge etc falls into ‘not cleaning’ and not under ‘cleaning to his a lower standard’.
I could ‘help him’ by giving him a list of tasks that need to be carried out (weekly, monthly, etc) but he wouldn’t do it because he’d say that he doesn’t have the time.

I guess I’m frustrated because all I wanted (and still want) was for him to admit that I was doing more and to offer to help a little bit more wirh other tasks.

I’ll have another chat with him (I should add that we don’t argue, we are both lovely with eachother and enjoy living together) and I’ll suggest that we find another arrangement. Ideally he’d contribute a bit towards cleaning and I’ll do ‘his share’ of the cleaning for him, and we share the other tasks. But I know he won’t want that. I’ll let him come with some suggestions.

OP posts:
Abracadabra12345 · 05/03/2025 15:40

I had no idea that lodgers did all this, I always thought of them having their own private space in a home and keeping it clean and tidy and cleaning up after themselves after using the kitchen but not a lot more than that.

Ultimately OP it's your home and he's just renting so you can have help with your mortgage

Abracadabra12345 · 05/03/2025 15:42

When my AS house-shared, a cleaner would do the communal areas

Abracadabra12345 · 05/03/2025 15:51

For example - cleaning the fridge, oven, microwave, wiping the kitchen cupboard doors, cleaning inside some kitchen cupboards, cleaning windows, cleaning the tiles by the cooker or sink, changing the filter from the cooker's extractor, cleaning floor corners (because dirt really shows when one simply mops or hoovers only the middle of a room for an extended period of time). If I point any of these 'bigger' tasks out he does one of them per week, but it takes him an entire day, so he does none of the regular cleaning that week.

I know of no lodger who would be expected to do this. But as others have pointed out, yours is a unique situation

LittleGreenDragons · 05/03/2025 16:13

He is a lodger and not an equal partner so start treating him as a lodger.

He cleans his area. He puts his own dishes in the dishwasher. He cleans up any of his own messes or spills in communal areas. He does the bins (men usually do this as due to their physical strength they find it easier to wrangle awkward bins).
He pays slightly more rent and you employ a cleaner for the communal bits, or even just the bathroom and kitchen.
You do the other chores as it is your house.

Abracadabra12345 · 05/03/2025 16:42

@LittleGreenDragons That's what I was fumbling my way towards and you've expressed my view perfectly!

Gabitule · 05/03/2025 17:03

Abracadabra12345 · 05/03/2025 15:51

For example - cleaning the fridge, oven, microwave, wiping the kitchen cupboard doors, cleaning inside some kitchen cupboards, cleaning windows, cleaning the tiles by the cooker or sink, changing the filter from the cooker's extractor, cleaning floor corners (because dirt really shows when one simply mops or hoovers only the middle of a room for an extended period of time). If I point any of these 'bigger' tasks out he does one of them per week, but it takes him an entire day, so he does none of the regular cleaning that week.

I know of no lodger who would be expected to do this. But as others have pointed out, yours is a unique situation

The amount of rent I charge him does not include cleaning. I would happily do the cleaning if he paid more, but he doesn’t want to pay more.

When I lived with lodgers in the past we took turns to do the cleaning. None of my lodgers had access just to their room, bathroom and kitchen, they used the living room as much as I did (or could have if they wanted to), had people over for dinner etc.

OP posts:
CanOfMangoTango · 05/03/2025 17:09

He doesn't want to pay more?

How much do you charge in comparison to the market rent for a lodger with the bills?

Although really the comparator is a full house/flat share so I'm wondering how it matches up.

It's an unusual arrangement but he doesn't get to call the shots. You own the house. If he doesn't want to clean to your standards then he pays more & you get a cleaner.

Gabitule · 05/03/2025 17:18

Perhaps my view of things is coloured by the fact that he is not a lodger and I don’t treat him as a lodger. He doesn’t rent a room in a shared house, he shares a whole house with me. If we both rented my house and we had to share the rent and bills (pro rata according to our bedroom size, use of other rooms etc) he would pay more than what he pays now.

But argh, someone has to compromise and if that’s not him it has to be me. I’ll see what he thinks about our tasks allocation going forward and then I guess I’ll have to clean the house because I am, at the end of the day, grateful that he is in my life and living with me. I just wish he also displayed the same gratitude 😀

OP posts:
Gabitule · 05/03/2025 17:27

CanOfMangoTango · 05/03/2025 17:09

He doesn't want to pay more?

How much do you charge in comparison to the market rent for a lodger with the bills?

Although really the comparator is a full house/flat share so I'm wondering how it matches up.

It's an unusual arrangement but he doesn't get to call the shots. You own the house. If he doesn't want to clean to your standards then he pays more & you get a cleaner.

It’s hard to say from looking at adds about rooms available for rent.

You can find cheaper rooms in my area but it means sharing the house with more people or not having a shared living room or living in a house not as nice as mine. You can also find more expensive rooms but some are bigger or they are in bigger houses or have en-suite bathrooms - although I don’t think this would be a priority for him as the bathroom is right next to his bedroom.

OP posts:
Gabitule · 05/03/2025 17:29

Maybe I am being a bit silly and I should just be grateful that I have a house and a (lazy) ex to share it with. 😞

OP posts:
thinkfast · 05/03/2025 17:35

A lodger is expected to keep their own room clean and tidy up after themselves in the bathroom and kitchen OP. They aren't meant to clean the entire house. I suggest that's you charge him more rent to cover the cost of a weekly cleaner if you don't want to do it any longer. If he doesn't like it, he can leave and you can find a new lodger.

Shintoland · 05/03/2025 19:52

Your set up clearly has its challenges but much respect to you. It probably does have a shelf life because it's difficult for either of you to see other people, so I think it would be ok if a change in your system errs towards being more separate rather than more closely entwined IYSWIM.

A couple of ideas:

  1. IME a rota where each person has different jobs is hard in a shared house. As you've found, people get resentful. You could revert to an old fashioned rota where one person does the bathroom one week, one does the kitchen etc. You'd probably feel still that you do more than your fair share but everything would get cleaned eventually. You'd both have to do the jobs you like least sometimes, but that is a sensible price to pay for something close to equity. I do think you have to accept a housemate isn't always going to clean the cupboard fronts or corners of floors to your satisfaction, but if they scrub the bathroom half the time it's better than them just doing the bins.

  2. Separate dishwasher loading etc from cleaning and pair it with cooking instead. We do one cooks, the other washes up and wipes down the kitchen. Alternatively have a 50/50 cooking rota and you each wash up on your cooking days. Cooking and tidying up after are big daily tasks that are broadly equivalent in time and mental energy, and trying to trade them off against much less frequent tasks like lawn mowing, weekly cleaning and occasion stuff like windows just doesn't stack up. We do it that whoever's up first empties the DW (very quick job) and ideally things go straight in there during the day, but it's ok to just stack things during the day. The washer up deals with it all after dinner, and the DW goes on every night without fail.

One of your compromises needs to be on standards I think - you're not in a relationship so you can't expect him to "step up" to please you as much as he would if you were. And if he were a lodger in a shared house absolutely no one would be getting cross with him for missing the corners of the floor or not washing the windows often enough.

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