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Two questions for experienced effective, organised cleaners please; could really do with your expert advice please!

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Latticeallure88 · 08/01/2022 16:28

Question One:
How many hours roughly a week would it take to look after a 460 metre squared house over five floors please?

Three main rooms on each floor plus two little rooms. Plus front door and outer windows of facade plus some decorative metalwork. Tall and thin. Lots of stairs. Old house - difficult to clean. Including all housekeeping tasks: tidying, cleaning, decluttering, organising, all laundry, all food shopping and cooking and clearing up and cleaning windows inside and out. Two/three meals a day. Three adults wfh and another young adult coming and going. House quite untidy and cluttered ATM after twenty years of family living!

Plus preparatory tasks for second home (mainly washing bed linen and prepping meals) weekly in summer and fortnightly in winter?

Question two:
If you were to start cleaning and clearing and decluttering this house from scratch, if you were doing so 3 hours a day, roughly how long would it take you?

Asking for me: not a professional cleaner! I'm late fifties, not particularly fit ATM, with mild osteo-arthritis. (Well I will be doing bulk of it myself but will be contracting out some cleaning once house is back in better state.) Owing to other commitments, I can only clean about 3/4 hrs a day, 4 days a week.

And yes, other adults will be joining in!

Thank you!

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BasiliskStare · 12/01/2022 00:54

@Latticeallure88 - I think part of the thing about having a very big house - is there are just so many places to stash stuff and ignore it. It was only when we downsized I had to put a lot of things into storage - 2 years later I got those boxes out & though "why the merry hell have I kept this stuff?" - so it went to charity / auction / tip etc. Never missed it. DC's bedrooms I think are harder because mine wants to keep "his stuff". Friend of mine has a bigger house than mine is now and she declutters on a regular basis - her house is picture perfect every time you go in because there is no mess or stuff anywhere - I think she is at one end - I am probably in the middle.

I don't think most proper cleaners will steal things.

If the stairs are too much for you - why not choose just one room and do that. So only one set of stairs. Perhaps start from the front door and make sure all coats shoes etc being used and then go into the sitting room and then next day go up a floor and choose a room ( depending on layout of house.)

I don't think it really matters how you do it or what method - if you are chucking out a good bin bag or two on a regular basis or a box of stuff for charity on a regular basis - it will be done.

I agree with previous posters - don't get overwhelmed - a day when you have things outside your house is a day nearer to it being decluttered - & less stuff makes it easier to clean . & if you can afford it I would get some cleaners in to do where you have decluttered for a deep clean & then over time they can just do a more basic clean for more rooms.

I wish you well - but I do say - I thought I had to keep all my stuff from over 40 years - as it turned out - I did not. The big one for me was well over 2000 books - I have a Kindle and the books I cherish. Had you asked me before I would not have thrown away a book. Well I did. & clothes & the salmon long pan thing I had used once in 5 years and the margarita glasses we bought on holiday once and the furniture which served no purpose and the prints we had on the walls I was not fussed about and the millions of photographs we could just scan so we still had them but not in boxes and and - I could go on but I think you see the point - I do not do a method of decluttering - I just think - do I like this or can it go. ( So default is not keeping it)

All best to you - I do think once you start you might actually enjoy it. Flowers

Latticeallure88 · 12/01/2022 01:13

Thank you all. I have just seen these latest replies! Really helpful; I will read them properly tomorrow!

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Latticeallure88 · 12/01/2022 12:15

Sorry for the delay in replying ... I've just finished a morning's admin ...and have a bit of time over lunch to respond properly now.

MrsGatsby99 thank you very much; I am very familiar with Flylady and found the system (pre-pandemic) to work well with the everyday housekeeping tasks eg tidying, cleaning, shopping, cooking, laundry etc but not so much with the decluttering tbh. There is always so much everyday stuff going on!

Having said that, I find The Organised Mum Method better when everyone is working from home, but again, not with decluttering! My house isn't overly- cluttery btw, but things have built up over the years ... . And although other people in the house accumulate "stuff" they don't take it upon themselves to get rid.

It is literally down to me to go through every draw, cupboard and bag. Previous attempts by other members of the family to declutter have unfortunately resulted in random likes of "unresolved" piles of "stuff" dotted about on any spare surface.

I will look at The Secret Slob on You Tube thank you!

That is very helpful Tenam thank you. I will definitely be adopting the drawer-by-drawer room-by-room approach for the reasons you have described! How long did it take you to sort your house completely if you don't mind me asking? And do you have days when you don't do any cleaning at all, other than "maintenance tasks" I mean? That's a great tip about the stairs counting as one room btw! Thank you!

I don't have as much stuff as your (well organised! Grin) mum ( I am impressed by the eighteen slotted spoons!Grin) but there are areas (cellars, attics) which have accumulated heaven knows what.

And times move on don't they? The things you thought were vital to keep initially (baby clothes?) you may think of differently as the years roll on ... . Same with some children's books, school books, camping gear, sports equipment and I definitely have too much bed-linen etc etc. Its not too bad as I have always done six monthly chuck outs of clothes and toys but that has waned a bit through the teenage years.

Happily Gassylady we have , as of 1st Jan, put a moratorium on anything new coming in to the house before it is decluttered and back in to a good state of order! This rule is designed to speed up the process and encourage everyone's involvement ...we'll see how it goes anyway. But we've all agreed that if we are tempted to buy anything new that's not absolutely essential, then we will divert that urge and put a note or three in a glass jar (or do the equivalent on-line) and make a donation to a local charity that's important to us instead! . We've signed a contract and everything and stuck it on the fridge! Grin I will have a look at the decluttering one thing a day threads, thank you!

I think I need to do an initial declutter, thank you tinkywinkyshandbag but you and other posters have reminded me that I need to be realistic about this task and get some help with it! You've also "given me permission" in my head to call in cleaning help, ridiculous though that sounds!

Thank you for your good wishes BasiliskStare and gosh yes yes to I think part of the thing about having a very big house - is there are just so many places to stash stuff and ignore that is so true! I am probably underestimating how much stuff I have stashed away!

I had to laugh about the fish kettle and margarita glasses though! (Signs of a life well lived?! Grin) We have the former but not the latter!) The books are a very difficult thing for me. We have hundreds and hundreds. It is going to be a slow process I think ...but the Internet is a game changer in terms of reference books ...and I also think I may enjoy it eventually! I will certainly be far less stressed when my house is under control!

And I agree that one can get too fixated on method rather then the actual doing! And I need to be realistic about the time it will take after 20 years plus of family life.

I hope I haven't missed anyone!

Thank you again for all of the helpfull tips and encouragement; it is much appreciated!

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Latticeallure88 · 12/01/2022 12:20

unresolved random likes = random piles! Sorry! Autocorrect gone mad!

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Imabouttoexplode · 12/01/2022 12:22

You need a shit hot housekeeper. Someone proactive who can evaluate what needs doing and gets to know your priorities and needs and pre-empts them. So they do all the usual cleaning jobs, laundry etc bit then also works their way through clutter with you and straightens the place out. If you can find someone like this, pay them in gold coins!!!!

Latticeallure88 · 12/01/2022 12:37

That would be lovely I agree Imabouttoexplode but I am going to give it a good go myself and see how I get on! I will be sensible and call in the cavalry if it all gets too much though. I prefer working alone tbh; maybe that is where I have been going wrong, but I can't focus properly with someone else there. I'm the same with clothes shopping!

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MrsKDB · 12/01/2022 13:44

@Latticeallure88

MrsKDB thank you very much indeed for your advice which is much appreciated. Our homes and our routines sound very similar!

I would love someone to clean the fridge & the oven!
We also do family bed changing once a fortnight.
And we also have an issue with clothes drying funnily enough!

That's a good idea about a flat rate for a cleaner. I imagine you have to stay very on top of what has and hasn't been done though and have a realistic idea of what is possible in the time. Do you give her a list of jobs?

I don’t, no. When I interviewed I explained that I needed someone who just took it in as their own project, staying on top of things on rotation, and I trust her to do that. She has the highest standards of any cleaner I’ve had before (bar one who is currently on ML but I do hope to re-hire one day!)

For me it’s letting go of the emotional involvement as I find that extremely draining in itself.

Latticeallure88 · 12/01/2022 21:30

Thanks for the info and I I hear you about the emotional involvement being draining MrsKDB which is why I prefer to tackle it alone! But I know that realistically, I will need help with it, once I have broken the back of it anyway.

Your cleaner sounds amazing! Smile

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Tenam · 13/01/2022 14:04

@Latticeallure88 it took about 8 months but I did have a baby at the time so was slowed down! And actually we haven’t done the cellar properly yet- it’s fairly well zoned and organised but there’s an awful lot down there: tools, diy materials, roofing supplies, camping stuff, suitcases, sports equipment, baby stuff (eg the carrycot and car seat parts of the buggy I’m still using), books for dc3&4 when they get old enough, clothes and coats for them to grow into, pictures and ornaments we had up in our old house but haven’t found a home for in this one (after 5 years they can probably just go tbh although some of the pictures were painted by Dh’s granddad)…

They’re still young so it’s an ongoing process getting rid of outgrown stuff but it’s at a manageable stage now, just need my teenagers to tackle their rooms!!

Regarding the cleaning I try not to do any at weekends other than laundry, dishes and a quick whizz around with the hoover but I do sometimes also find time to go through a drawer or cupboard just to keep on top of it

Tenam · 13/01/2022 14:06

I meant to say if you like the organised mum method you could use the Friday focus to declutter rather than deeper clean? At least until you’re more sorted

Latticeallure88 · 13/01/2022 17:29

Thank you very much again Tenam that's given me a realistic time frame, given that daily tasks have to be maintained at same time and I am quite slow!

You did very well indeed to achieve that in 8 months with a baby!

And yes I definitely need to ring-fence time to declutter or it won't get done.

The added complication where I am is that it is very time-consuming and costly to recycle some things like building materials so I sympathize re: cellar contents!

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