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Cleaner not being totally honest dilemma

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Suomynona · 19/06/2018 15:40

We used to have a local lady do a couple of hours cleaning per week for us. Her cleaning standard is generally good, although not fantastic. It came to our attention that on a couple of occasions, she had brought another person with her who we don’t know without asking us first. We were not particularly happy about a stranger being in our home without permission, and as we were thinking about saving the money anyway, we ended the arrangement (amicably, we didn’t mention the issue with the other person). She has continued to do our ironing ever since.

We recently decided to ask her whether she was interested in re-starting doing a couple of hours cleaning per week for us. I broadly outlined the general tasks that we would like completed, and estimate it to be around two hours per week (this is the same duration we used to pay her for). She agreed and has been doing it for around 5 weeks now. On the first week she came I was working at home for the day. She was there bang on around two hours, and I was pleased with the cleaning standard. We had had some general chit chat about various things, including me mentioning that we had installed a security camera at the rear of the house (where the driveway, and entrance door are).

For the last 4 weeks when nobody is at home, we can see from our security camera what time the lady arrives and leaves, and have found she is consistently overcharging us each week (i.e charging us a certain hourly amount, but not actually being in the house that long). The overcharge each week has varied between 20 minutes, and 40 minutes. Today she charged me for an hour and a half cleaning, but was in the house for only 40 minutes.

She is a handy person to have on-board as she’s very accommodating re ironing (i.e will always take at short notice, collects and delivers back, usually within about two hours). We also know that as she holds a key to the house we can always call on her if we need someone to pop in and feed our cat or any other little task etc. We’ve always had a good relationship with her (i.e we’ve lent her bit snad pieces, given little gifts for her children etc and in return she’s given us fresh veg form garden) and get on well whenever we see her. She also only charges £10 per hour for cleaning and ironing which in the area we live is very good value.

So, my dilemma is – do I tackle her about the overcharging, and if so how? (I hate confrontation, and any kind of bad feeling), or do we accept that we are effectively paying a higher hourly rate for the benefits outlined above? My partner and I discussed it a couple of weeks ago, and concluded that if we were paying approximately 15 minutes extra per week (so £2.50) then we could live with it as she uses her car / petrol to collect and deliver the ironing. However, it’s really starting to really niggle me that she’s being dishonest. I would really rather she increased her hourly rate but was truthful about how long she’s worked for.

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Aprilshouldhavebeenmyname · 19/06/2018 15:45

How about asking her if everything is OK as you have noticed she leaves a bit early?
Make it concerned not accusing!!
Maybe childcare issue and change of hours would work? Travel issues?
Keep it light as she sounds a gem in all other ways!!

Namechange128 · 19/06/2018 15:48

Get rid. Yes the amount isn't huge, but I'd be concerned that if she's happy to lie to you (and steal from you, in the sense she's taking money for work she hasn't done), what would she do if she found cash down the sofa, or a nice pair of earrings?

When you get a new person perhaps it's worth paying more per hour to meet the going rate, and/ or giving a set amount and then so long as they meet your standards you don't need to stress about checking etc.

HirplesWithHaggis · 19/06/2018 15:48

If she's doing the cleaning to a standard you find acceptable, I would ignore the short timing given everything else you have said.

gryffen · 19/06/2018 16:01

Strong words re CCTV and your aware of timing of leaving etc.

Let her know she will be paid on viewing video and only on time spent in house.

If she's not happy then I advise get key back and also change locks as the other person could have a key cut and where will you be then?

Ariela · 19/06/2018 16:15

Is she cleaning to the required standard or above, and is she cleaning everything you ask?
I say this because I used to holiday cover for a cleaner and always found that her standard was not as high as my standard. However I used to spend perhaps double time the first day to get everything to my standard of clean - and then I could save a lot of time later on in the week.
If she is doing everything you ask and it is to a good standard then that's fine IMO. If you're having to follow round dusting the tops of the skirting board etc then tell her!

Floralnomad · 19/06/2018 16:23

If she’s doing everything you ask her to do to a satisfactory standard I would just leave well alone , perhaps she’s a quick worker , perhaps you could leave a list of extra jobs that need doing and then if she leaves early and hasn’t completed everything you could mention it .

Guardsman18 · 19/06/2018 16:29

That's a difficult one I think.

My cleaner is like Billy whizz and when she asks if I'd like her to do anything for the last ten minutes, I always say no. She never takes a break. It's two hours constant.

As pp asked, do you ask for specific things to be done? Maybe you could add one or two things 'if she has time'.

Guardsman18 · 19/06/2018 16:30

Oh and £10 per hour is good!

mozzybites · 19/06/2018 16:41

We once had a cleaner who wizzed around but didn't do a thorough job, we talked to her but it got worse with time and she got more dishonest about it.
I would second the suggestion of giving her a group of extra jobs under the heading of ' only if you finish the other jobs so we can pay you the full time we agreed' maybe drop in that you can see everybody coming and going. There is of course nothing in that would prevent her from just chilling in your house for half an hour.

Timeisslippingaway · 19/06/2018 16:41

If she is doing all the things you have asked her to do then I can't really see the problem. She may well be working very hard to get it done faster so she can go to another job. I think when it comes to cleaning it's not about how long it takes its about the effort put in.
I used to clean when I was younger, I had a woman who I did set tasks for every week. Sometimes it was a struggle to fit it all in, I should really have been charging more. I was busting my arse to get everything done in the time she wanted me to be there.
I know this isn't the case here OP but I would let it go, as long as everything is being done to a good standard.

SlowlyShrinking · 19/06/2018 17:34

If she’s doing a good job then give her a break. All jobs should have perks. If you think the work she does is worth the money, then it doesn’t matter how long it takes, surely?

donajimena · 19/06/2018 17:41

I paid my cleaner for two hours but I strongly suspect she was doing it in around 90 minutes. However her standards were fantastic and I noticed she was incredibly fast. I don't think I've ever seen anyone clean that quickly. I'm a cleaner myself and I'm not exactly slow. I wasn't bothered. I'd rather pay 'per job' and get it all done.
£10 per hour is very low by the way. I charge 13.00 per hour and after deductions I'm on minimum wage.

Ihopeyourcakeisshit · 19/06/2018 17:41

I don't think over charging is a perk! It's bloody dishonest.
I don't have an answer for you op, it's a difficult one.
I'd really struggle with the dishonesty, it doesn't sit well with me.

Goostacean · 19/06/2018 17:45

I wouldn’t say she will be paid by the time she spends in the house based on the video- she may still work for 45 mins and then just sit on your sofa for the other 45! Being in the house isn’t an indication of the work, it’s a question of getting everything done....

PoisonousSmurf · 19/06/2018 17:51

Aren't you paying for the 'job', rather than the time it takes?
I'm a cleaner myself and regularly stay longer than I need to. But I never get clients falling over themselves to pay extra.
I could whizz round and do a terrible job, or take care and effort and finish the task.
If the job is done to your satisfaction, why be so picky?

Littlechocola · 19/06/2018 18:01

If you are happy with the job she’s doing I would wait.

Suomynona · 20/06/2018 08:13

Our house is a three storey, three bedroomed townhouse wiht three bathrooms. I have asked for every room apart from the two spare bedrooms to be vacuumed, thoroughly dusted etc, all three bathrooms cleaned throughout, one set of bed linen changed and all bins emptied with separate tasks in kitchen.

I don't actually believe that can be done in less than around 2-3 hours, depending on thoroughness and speed of cleaner, so 40 minutes is bordering on ridiculous.

I got home yesterday and was really hacked off at all the stuff that hadn't been done in the 40 minutes - one bathroom not even touched, upstairs carpet not vacuumed, dust on bedside tables, tv and more.

I don't believe that I'm being 'picky' in having concerns that someone I allow access to my home when I'm not around is being dishonest, and I certainly don't think that lying and effectively ripping off someone who has employed you, is an acceptable 'perk'!

I'm going to message the lady and lay out again very clearly the tasks I would like done each week, and in the meantime look for a new cleaner.

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