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How can I get my husband to throw stuff out

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Littlemissdaredevil · 20/02/2018 02:12

I’m currently on mat leave and I’m noticing how cluttered our tiny two bed box house is. I’m trying to sort through everything and de clutter for my own sanity and also I desperately want to move house and buy somewhere bigger when I go back to work.

Basically my husband won’t throw anything out ever. If I try to throw a pair of pants out he wants to cut it up to use as rags. We have cloths under the sink so we don’t need more rags.

Basically this has all come to a head as we now have a DD who’s cot is in our room and all her clothes are shoved into a box in the airing cupboard as the ‘spare’ room is full of DH’s shit.

I’m fed up as the cupboard under the stairs, the airing cupboard, the eight drawers on the tv cabinet and the spare room is full of his shit. He can’t even fit all his clothes in his drawers yet rufused to throw any out. He has drawers and drawers full of different wires and adaptors for stuff we don’t even own any more.

Whenever I try to get him to sort stuff out he always brings up we need to get rid of the sofa bed in the spare room (I am happy to do this but all his shit in the way) and I have a lot of shoes (I have about 10 pairs in the airing cupboard - whilst he has 3/4 large tents and other camping equipment). I do have quite a few books which are neatly on a bookcase (but DH has started taking up room there). Today I went sort out said book case and there is a whole section with DH’s payslip. There must be hundreds but he won’t let me throw them away. Whenever I bring decluttering up he mention the books and shoes and that I don’t throw them away (I’ve got rid of 50%) but he has 10 x the amount of stuff!

It’s getting to the stage where I fantasise about the house burning down just so all our belongings are gone and we can start again with a nice tidy house. It’s embarrassing as his parents keep buying us stuff which I have to decline as there is simply no where to put it in the house.

How can I get my DH to declutter and throw stuff away. Soon people will be buying or DD toys, etc and there won’t be anywhere for her to play with them or store them Sad

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MagicFajita · 20/02/2018 02:22

I'm sorry op , I had this with my exh. He hoarded like crazy. It got to a point where I had decluttered and kept only things I needed day to day in order to make room for his boxes of crap. He could fill any amount of space with shite.

My solution only came when we split , he was selfish in every way , not just with his endless belongings.

I hope you find a way to make him see sense as it's bloody annoying!

Situp · 20/02/2018 02:24

Hey OP,
This can be really tough. DH and I had this with clothes but once I completely reduced and organised my stuff, he was actually motivated to do his too.

Is there a reason behind his hoarding? Is it that he is overwhelmed by the task of decluttering or fears not having something he will need?

With papers, you can have a scanning session where he scans them all. I agree that he probably doesn't need them but if he wants to retain access, this will enable him to.

There is a good podcast here by the Minimalists on this
www.theminimalists.com/p080/

mrsroboto · 20/02/2018 02:25

My dh keeps boxes of wires and adaptors and keeps old holey clothes 'for painting in' (it's been 3 years since we redecorated and he's got almost as many 'old painting clothes' as proper clothes at this point).

So you have my sympathy. Several house moved have forced him to become a bit more ruthless but it might be a job you have to tackle together, making clear the aim is to clear out X cupboard etc

treaclesoda · 20/02/2018 03:20

I'd be quite worried to be honest. I have a relative who is a hoarder and over the years it went from just not wanting to throw stuff away to being a serious life changing mental illness with serious consequences.

Does he get angry and defensive or just shrug it off and imply you're making a fuss about nothing?

Argeles · 20/02/2018 03:31

I’m sick of this too op.

My DH used to be super clean and tidy years ago when we were dating, and in our first few years of marriage. His behaviour actually really positively affected me (I’d grown up with 2 hoarders in my family, and had developed learned behaviours from them), and I realised for the first time how lovely it was to have a clean and tidy home, with minimal clutter.

I noticed over time that he was starting to become more untidy, but attributed this to is living in a tiny studio flat, in which I’d taken up most of the storage for my items. When we got a mortgage and moved into our own flat however, this is when the problems really began.

There was a lot of furniture left in the flat from the previous owner, and my DH didn’t want to part with any of it. Most of it was mismatched and of dreadful quality, and some things were broken (drawer units and bookshelves mainly). I really put my foot down, and once we’d started to unpack, he began to see that some of it was a problem. I called the council and had them remove all the items that we’d agreed on, although I was desperate to see more go.

We then had to put up with still too much useless furniture in the flat, clogging up vital space. On top of this, he is an exercise freak, and runs, goes to the gym and rides a bike every week. He has 3 chests of drawers in our bedroom which are full of clothing for those activities, and for swimming too, as he also does that in his holidays. This still isn’t enough for him - he has casually turned the spare room that I at 36 weeks pregnant really want/need to make into a nursery, into his ‘dressing room.’ He has covered the double bed in there in a variety of sports clothes and shirts for work - it’s a complete mess. He also has a heap of trainers (around 12-15 pairs) and socks littering the floor, which he doesn’t attempt to keep neat. In our bedroom, he has a heap of trainers, boots and shoes (around 20 pairs), and what used to be a pile of clothes in a corner has extended, and they now just litter the floor along his side of the bed.

In the spare bedroom, and in our DD’d bedroom, he has around 10 jumpers, 8 jackets, and about 20 suit jackets that he never wears, but will not let me sell them on EBay or give them to charity. He also has so many books that he really no longer needs, as well as gym equipment that he doesn’t use, as he goes to the gym, just clogging the place up.

What is really pissing me off, is his absolute reluctance to get rid of the double bed in the room we need as a nursery. It’s a small room, and it’s not practical to have a bed of that size in there, but he’s always insisted that we must have a spare room available for any family who may want to stay. I have told him many times that we are not a hotel, and do not have the luxury of space to not use a whole room appropriately. He very reluctantly, and half heartedly agreed that the bed could go 2 months ago. I said I’d try and sell it, but he made excuses and said we’d just throw it out (delaying tactics). I’m now heavily pregnant, and he said to me at the weekend that we can get rid of the bed frame, but we must keep the mattress for family to sleep on! I asked where the fuck is a mattress going to go? He said we’ll store it behind some furniture or under one of our beds. I told him to stop being ridiculous, and that it wouldn’t fit under the beds, and which furniture is it supposed to ‘hide’ behind. He couldn’t answer. I asked him where on earth the mattress would be placed for visitors to sleep on, and he said completely normally ‘in the sitting room!’ This is not some kind of shelter ffs!

So, the bed is still sat in the ‘spare room,’ and due to the size of it, it blocks the doors of the built in cupboard in there. I can open the doors and get in between them when I don’t have a huge bump, but now it’s virtually impossible. I need to organise this cupboard with items for the baby, so now they too are just sitting around in piles.

I have taken so many of my own clothes, accessories, books and ornaments to charity over the last 5 months, but I still have too many things, but have so much less than my DH or my DD. It really doesn’t help either that the 2 hoarders in my family buy copious amounts of presents for each of us for Christmas, Birthdays and Easter, and also whenever they visit they won’t just bring cake or biscuits, they also bring at least one or two things for my DD (art materials, clothes and accessories or toys). One of them visits twice per week, and always comes laden. I have told them until I’m blue in the face that we do not need to be given presents every bloody week - we don’t need them, nor do we have the room, but they either laugh it off or act offended and just ignore me. I’ve told them that when they see something they want to buy, they need to stop and look at the price, and instead put that amount of cash in my DD’s money box, or in a savings account. I say this as they try to guilt trip me that ‘they’re only trying to help.’

I started filling another bag for charity with my things yesterday, but there’s not that much left of mine that I can get rid of.

I honestly don’t know how much longer I can cope like this. It used to really irritate me, but now what with my hormones, and my nesting tendencies, my nerves are on edge. I can’t sleep due to the worry that nothing will be ready for when the baby arrives. I’ve been waking up and feeling anxious and losing 3-4 hours sleep every night for about 3 weeks. I’m exhausted. I’m so panicked as I’m a full time Mum to a toddler, and I’m a part time student, and have no family nearby to help. I have exams coming up, including one this week that I just don’t have the ‘mental space’ to revise for. The hoarder who visits twice per week can’t exactly help with organising or tidying!

Sorry I can’t be of any help op, but I’ve needed to seriously vent about all of this for a very long time.

TheQueenOfWands · 20/02/2018 03:39

Can you live separately? Then you and your daughter can have a nice home and he can live how he pleases.

I can't cope with mess/clutter. Stresses me out no end.

DP likes stuff (SiL and MiL are both messy and hoarders) but he keeps it all in one room with the door closed and where I simply don't go.

He won't put stuff in bins. Wrappers, ect have to go in a pile in the o then near the bin but it is in a neat pile so I can just chuck it in the bin.

treaclesoda · 20/02/2018 03:48

This memoir may be of interest to some of you, it's about the emotional effect of growing up with a hoarder parent Coming Clean

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Mamamagellanic · 20/02/2018 10:37

Ive been here.

It only improved when we split up. The 'stuff' wasn't the primary reason for the split but it added to it, I saw it as a lack of respect. My workload was enormous trying to keep a tidy house around his hoard. It made me absolutely miserable.

Peregrina · 21/02/2018 09:25

I have had 40 years of this stuff. I now sneak his crap out. Before someone jumps in and tells me that I shouldn't, it's violating his possessions, 95% of the time he doesn't realise he has got it. It's just that the way he was taught to 'tidy' was to get a carrier bag, stuff things in, and shove them in a drawer/garage - where they remain. I know for a fact that there is stuff 30 years old in the garage, which DH says isn't the case. At some stage, when he's not around, I hope to gather it all up and put it all in one place so that he can see how much there is.

Littlemissdaredevil · 08/03/2018 05:51

Im gradually throwing small stuff out the house but it’s like using a teaspoon to move a mountain.

Last week with the snow it was terrible as feel hemmed in the house. I can’t stand to be in the house during the day. DD has now started to become aware of her hands and grasp things so she will need toys soon.

I’ve started chucking DDs things on top of the crap in the nursery/crap room to make a point. My husbands response is that we need to clear more room in the airing cupboard to put her stuff in.

I’ve told DH I never want any Mother’s Day/birthday/presents ever as it is more crap cluttering up the house. I’ve started to very visibly put some of the (useless) presents he got me in the ‘car boot sale box’ so he can see that I am getting rid of his gifts. He’s asked me about it and I have simply explained there is no room for X item so it needs to be car boot saled or binned.

I feel he gets it from his dad as he likes keeping all sorts of nick nacks and bits and bob ‘just in case’ we might need X in 10 years time. It’s become much worse since we started doing up the bathroom as my husband has invested in loads of DIY stuff but then won’t put it in the shed (apparently it’s full) so now it’s in the house cluttering the drawers! So now we have little pots of sealant, screws and odd bits of diy stuff.

There is little/minimal stuff I can get rid of now. I gave a friend next week who is coming to store some childhood belongings at her house (both my parents are dead whereas all DHs childhood belongings are at his parents house - he doesn’t understand the need to keep some stuff from my childhood) . I don’t see why I should have to get rid of all my belongings except clothes and toiletries so DH has more room for his crap. Im going to see if I can literally get my friend to store all my stuff so he can’t use my stuff as a deflection tactic as he will focus on anything of mine in a room as an excuse as I need to dead with my clutter e.g. the two small box’s of stuff I have on top the wardrobe in nursery seemingly blind that the other 99% of the room is full of his crap.

I’m trying my best to stop more crap coming through the door. It feels like I am a record on repeat.

MIL buys bags and bags of clothes from the charity shop - sorry I can’t take any of them we already have loads of clothes and we have no room until DH clears his stuff from the nursery.

Out shopping - whenever DH picks up anything. We don’t need X and don’t have room for X.
However, I feel I constantly have to be on red alert to stop more crap coming into the house. However, this doesn’t stop my husband buying more crap of eBay/amazon and having it delivered to his parents house.

I’m having birth trauma counselling but have now been referred to the post natal mental health counselling as I need to deal with my husband problem.

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Littlemissdaredevil · 08/03/2018 05:54

@peregrina my DH does the same. ‘Tidying’ is bunging stuff in the nearest drawer. Hence he drawers are full of his crap meaning I have no room for my stuff. It’s got to the stage where I will have to start labelling drawers with my name and his name just so I can get some space for my belongings and household items!

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Dancinggoat · 08/03/2018 06:04

I'd just get rid of stuff. Like the wires , shred old pay slips , take old clothes to the dump / recycling. When you sort some stuff get it out the house so there's nothing he can do about it.
Sounds mean but I feel it's the only way.

Littlemissdaredevil · 08/03/2018 06:17

The trouble is with a 10 week old baby I maybe get 1/2 hours a week when DH isn’t in the house and I’m not feeding her or trying to keep her entertained. When she does sleep for an hour or two I seem to be frantically running round the house trying put the washing on, sort/put washing away, load unload dishwasher, tidy kitchen, take the bin out, etc hence progress bing very slow. Also DH has a lot of large items which you really can’t make disappear

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alwaysthinkingofsleep · 08/03/2018 06:19

My partner is generally good at tidying etc but he does have a tendency to hoard certain things. I basically ask him to sort something & tell him I don't mind if he goes to the pub after he's done - generally works really well 😂

suckmasterburstingfoam · 08/03/2018 06:29

I'm so sorry. I have a similar problem with DP. We have just moved to a much bigger home, so I have some space right now, but the space is shrinking rapidly. In our old flat I felt suffocated, with boxes and boxes and boxes of his shit piled up to the ceiling. It won't be long before our new place is full too. Moving was good for his decluttering - I encouraged him to get rid of masses of stuff and, to my surprise, he did - but it backfired on me because he now uses it as an excuse to buy two or three replacements for each thing he's binned. Every single day, the doorbell goes, my heart sinks, and in comes another delivery of more crap we don't need. I love DP dearly but I can't bear the quantity of STUFF.

Tika77 · 08/03/2018 06:33

I have chucked stuff out in the past, boxes of cables went in the bin... unnoticed.
Does he actually know the exact items he has?

Beanteam · 08/03/2018 06:39

Wow. I don’t think this can go on. I know from experience that overtime you forget that you have that spare jumper/ screwdriver and if you remember you have it you can’t find it.
Needs some serious talk with DH.
He might benefit from counselling if you can afford it. Perhaps you both go together then him on his own. This is imv utterly unreasonable behaviour.
And don’t pussyfoot with putting item by item on eBay ime that adds to the stress. Take the lot to recycling.

Honkyzeke · 08/03/2018 06:53

My DP is the same, we are opposites in that respect I'm ruthless when it comes to throwing stuff away if I don't use it I get rid it, DP on the other hand is a complete hoarder we've over the years come to a understanding that he doesn't bring any unnecessary crap into the house, because the house just isn't big enough, if he starts to slip and his side of the bedroom starts to clutter or boxes start to appear in the living room then I just have to say I'm tidying up and anything he wants to keep needs to move ASAP, granted it ends up in the garage which is his hoarders paradise but it's not in the house driving me insane.
You need to make it clear that your DD needs her room and if he doesn't clear it then you will and don't take the crap about your shoe collection, I'd be pointing out to him that it's not your shoe collection stopping your DD from having a nursery!

NorksAreMessy · 08/03/2018 06:55

I am feeling anxious just READING this.
Unfortunately hoarding is a mental problem, and unless he is prepared to get to the root of WHY he does it and work on strategies to change, he will not get better...he WILL get worse.
This is serious and very unpleasant. It comes across as deeply selfish, and it is. He is putting his need to hoard above your comfort and mental health.
You have some difficult conversations ahead

Littlemissdaredevil · 08/03/2018 06:59

DH has suggested putting stuff on eBay but I pointed out that I don’t have time to individually list things and then have numerous trips to the post office, etc. Stuff needs to be car booted (DH has suggested this before as a way of avoiding things being thrown out) or binned.

Apparently he can’t put the tools/DIY stuff in the shed as it is ‘falling apart’. I pointed out to him that everything is fully insured so if it gets stolen we just get new on the house insurance!

When my counselling referral comes through I’m going to see if it is possible for DH to attend

However, we do have a small amount of movement. DH has said I could sort through and chuck out his stuff in the understairs cupboard. I almost want to run downstairs now and bin everything (old air beds, etc) right now. Apparently I also have ‘clutter’ in there a handbag and some paperwork (which I’m sure wouldn’t be more than a shoebox size)

I’ve tried to explain the DH that the situation is now critical but he seems it isn’t and we should wait until DD is crawling and walking (and then injuring herself) before we do anything!

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S0upertrooper · 08/03/2018 07:05

Dear OP, sorry to hear this. My DH is very untidy and keeps everything. I can't have a horizontal surface but he puts 'stuff' on it. I have fantasised about leaving and recently told him this, so I can identify with how you are feeling. His parents were the same and he is now frustrated with his mother's hoarding which is affecting her physical health.

I think your DH needs counselling. Can you take photographs of all his stuff and then put the photographs on a wall? Seeing everything together might make him realise the scale of the problem? I understand this is a mental health issue but it sounds like it is affecting your mental health. Good luck.

Beanteam · 08/03/2018 07:07

Your trying to reason with someone with an uncontrollable compulsion. Don’t bother.
If you aren’t prepared to stand up to him I can’t see this changing.
Car boots where I live are hardly worth the effort as people want stuff for nothing. They know you’re other option is the tip.
Empty the lot from under the stairs into the boot. Take to recycling.

Littlemissdaredevil · 08/03/2018 07:08

My view is we need to declutter now and give the whole house a lick of paint/general tart up then stick it on the market in the summer as we could afford to buy a bigger house. I dream of a house where there is a garage I can shove all his shit. However, DH doesn’t understand that the house looking like a cluttered shit tip is a) knocking £££’S of the value of the house and b) means we can’t tart the house either as all his shit is in the way

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Littlemissdaredevil · 08/03/2018 07:17

I have a friend called coming on Tues so she can help/hold the baby whilst we clear shit.

DH and I have rows about this every week as am constantly bringing this up. DH feels very hen pecked but surely the solution is for him to sort it so I won’t need to nag him.

I am binning/tipping things every week but progress is slow as I’m lucky if I get a spare hour a week. If I start going through stuff when DH is here is gets very anxious/defensive/starts a row. The cupboard will need to be emptied when he isn’t here otherwise he will start to notice ‘essential’ items he had forgotten about and now can’t throw away.

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