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It's the clutter shouting "Mayday" as the Fledglings spring into action

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GoingGoingGoth · 30/04/2014 22:12

Copying last month's thread.

So for those who don't know the fledglings is a long running thread. Some of us seem clicky but that is because we have been chatting on these threads for nearly half a decade makes everyone feel old we quite like fresh blood though so feel free to jump in and join us.

Three key points to keep in mind:
(1)No perfectionism allowed - this is harder than you would imagine
(2)You are never behind just start where you are and anything you do is progress.
(3) It didn't get into a mess overnight, it won't get tidy over night - accept it will take time to get on top of things and you will be happier.

If you are new then trying to spend 15mins decluttering and the babysteps.

Some of us Bitchy can have scary looking lists. One word of advice ignore them. Do what you can, anything is better then nothing, and don't judge yourself against others, we won't be judging you.

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ToffeeWhirl · 05/05/2014 14:41

Bitchy - nooooooooooo, don't say that about the melatonin! Someone told me that children adjust to it and the effect wears off, but that if they stop taking it for a week it 'resets' the body and it will start working again.

Swan - sorry your day is getting you down. What happens if you just step back and let your DC do their homework without any input from you? (OK, maybe not DS2). You seem to be shouldering an awful lot of responsibility for them. That's bad luck about the holiday dates. If I were you, I'd ask permission, emphasizing that it's an important holiday for family reasons (you'll have to think of one!). I did that when we went to France several years ago and we were given permission. In my case, I said it was my mother's 70th birthday (true) and was a rare chance for my children to spend time with her.

carpe! Welcome back Smile.

newlark - hurrah for no weekend homework! Glad you had a good night out on Saturday.

Alice - oh, please tell me the melatonin works! Does your DS have ASD too? The consultant told us that people with ASD produce lower amounts of melatonin and often need it topped up.

SC - thanks for your kind words. Glad to hear you had a lovely holiday, even if you are sore now.

Did I hear a couple of fledglings mention half-century birthdays? Shock DH spent his 50th in the doctor's surgery and in bed, taking handfuls of steroids and painkillers. It seemed horribly symbolic, although he has bounced back. At least we didn't have to spend any money on a celebratory dinner Wink.

We have been to work, aided by our assistant, DS2, who absolutely loved stamping all the parcels. Been food shopping. Planning to go for a walk shortly.

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AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 05/05/2014 14:52

Toffee Yes, the melatonin works for DS1. He's been on it for 2 years. We take a short break here and there to verify if there's actually a difference - there is. I don't give him as high a dosage as I've been recommended to give him. I give him just enough to help him off to sleep. He wakes up frequently during the night - but at least he gets a decent amount between about 8pm and 1pm or so. Then it's touch and go. If it gets too bad, then I have the option of giving him another dose at that time to help him back to sleep.

The thing is, he's not long been dry all night, and he was getting a lot of problems with his eczema over it all. So I didn't want to "knock him out all night". When the paed suggested a stronger dose or time release (which he was on when he was younger), I told her that I felt that trying to establish a dry night pattern was more important at the moment, as he was actually expressing an interest in being dry all night (which was a relatively new development - before he just didn't notice or care!) and I wasn't about to squash that!

One thing to watch for - when he WAS on a higher dose (before I pulled it back), he was having nightmares. As soon as the dosage was dropped slightly, they went away. I've heard of others having that issue as well, so I was aware it might be a problem.

I will admit that it doesn't knock him out as quickly as it used to, and I do worry that eventually it will not be effective. Which is why I keep the dosage low and am trying to incorporate good sleeping habits with DS2 so I don't end up losing my sanity entirely if it stops working. At the moment, if he doesn't have it, he doesn't go to sleep. At. All.

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BitchyVstheUFOs · 05/05/2014 15:01

Yes to having to take at least 1 week and up to 2 for resetting. Ds was on the one hit melatonin and would pass out but then get up at 5am and still get up several times a night. He is now on the gradual release and still gets up at least once if not twice but then resettles afterwards. I am just saying that it does help but it is not the be all and miracle cure that you will hope for. And for some children it does not work at all.

BUT the most important bit for ds is that the quality of sleep he gets is significantly improved and this has strong positive impact on his behaviour. And for this it is worth it, and i have come to terms that I will never have a going to sleep once kinda night whilst he is here, but he has also become more capable of looking after himself so it is far less disruptive. Noticably it is his behaviour that not having the melatonin affects most. Also the number of getting ups one is so much better then 4hrs sleep total in the night with that being broken.

And it is worth trying the slow release if the one hit doesn't work so great. Good luck with it!

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slackcabbage · 05/05/2014 15:24

[snaffles calorie-free Cake ] Hello again Carpe good to see you!

Bitchy ooh, please tell us when this week and at least we can send virtual cake! Hope you get the weather you want for your celebration! I didn't have plans but then my 2 dsis's and 1 db (and poss nephew) announced they were coming over here to celebrate with me during closest w/e - really, really touched as they are all really busy - planning very drunken relaxed lunch in the garden! Dh under strict instructions NOT to arrange any surprises although I do love a good Mariachi band Grin

Like you, worried about being well for it. Still having intermittent stomach probs just crossing my fingers and living on rice (and yes, need to get on with tests).

As for motivation, not very original but have you tried the power of one/or a half/or a quarter?

Kind of reckoned PA busy with her new gc .... hope all well though ...pls send her my best as not on Facebook or anything like that

Swan you are a better/much more patient parent than me! DD refused to have a bath last night (admittedly she was very tired) so I'm afraid I set her alarm 20 mins early this morning and had to virtually forcibly march her in to the shower. She was not amused. Impossible with strapping teenage lad though! Really Sad to hear about your ds2 trembling and crying over prospect of hwk - do the school know that he is so distressed? - That is so horrible for him (and you).
Re: holiday; I'd be truthful with the school and say you made a genune mistake.

Glad the shows went well Newlark despite being very tiring for small people

Good luck with decluttering Alice!

Totally gorgeous sunny day here! Must dash - dd's tutor imminent ...

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ToffeeWhirl · 05/05/2014 16:20

Alice - thanks for that information. I'll bear it in mind about the higher dose and nightmares.

Bitchy - also thanks for your advice. The lack of effective sleep definitely affects DS1's behaviour (and mine), so it would be helpful to have even a slight improvement in this.

The paediatrician also said that DS1 shouldn't look at the computer for two hours before bedtime as the 'blue screen' would tell the brain it was daytime and undermine the effect of the melatonin. I used to be very strict about this, but have become lax about it as DS1 bcomes older.

Just back from a long walk across the Downs with DS2 and DH. DS2 spent most of the walk either moaning about the walking or shrieking at imaginary bees (since being stung, he's developed a fear of them). it was very wearing. Am quite relieved to be back home, sitting quietly on my sofa, drinking tea.

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BitchyVstheUFOs · 05/05/2014 18:01

Melatonin is good and will help but it will not be a miracle. It will just be an aid and another tool in the tool box and it will feel brilliant if it works

Today has been a complete and utter waste of time and I am ready for it to end. Is it bedtime yet?

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CallingAllEngels · 05/05/2014 18:54

So much to catch up on!

Welcome back carpe and trazzles !

toffee I can imagine the diagnosis is a relief. You must feel like you've been banging your head against a brick wall all this years and someone's finally noticed.

blue good luck with the continuing campaign.

sc your weekend sounds divine.

big wing flaps to bitchy, whoknows , feet , dizzy , ellie , alice , swan , peanut , mercury and our fearless leader goth and anyone else I've forgotten.

Not a proper bank holiday here so dh was at work. I was mooching around feeling sorry for myself then took a spur of the moment decision to take ds to zoo so we now have a year ticket. Take away for dinner but...

washing up done
washing out of td
cleaned coffee table covered in crumbs and cheese spread
Swept kitchen floor
emptied kitchen bin
hoovered lounge
watered one of the plants (got distracted after one and have only just realised!)

back to work tomorrow after 2 weeks off -boo!

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BlueEyeshadow · 05/05/2014 19:29

Welcome back trazzles and Carpe - nice to see you again.

Today has been a nice day, with intervals of absolute grot on all sides. DS1 being very challenging, DH and I overreacting and making him worse till the whole thing escalates beyond belief. Blush

So long as I can confine the TV people to the grown-up end of the sitting room, it shouldn't be too bad tomorrow... That end is swept, polished, tidied and hoovered to within an inch of its life! Hoping that there will be good news tomorrow. Fingers crossed.

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MercuryRising · 05/05/2014 20:22

I'm so glad to hear Joe is doing so well Trazzles

I have had a productive weekend school work and garden wise but have not achieved much flying around the house. So tomorrow will be a return to flying.

Glad to hear you had a lovely weekend SC

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newlark · 05/05/2014 21:11

A very lazy day here with dcs at home though I have among other things managed to:

Wash out the kitchen bin
Tidy the worst hot spot on the end of the worktop (big pile of children's activities/crafts/craft materials
Do all of my and the dcs ironing (dh normally does his and the dcs but he is away - there isn't much of theirs though)
Unload and put away dishwasher
Get dd to do homework
Shop for bits for packed lunches tomorrow
Filter some of the stocks of old cardboard packaging/jiffy bags dh hoards for posting eBay stuff into recycling (we have huge stocks because I do too much shopping online)

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WhoKnowsWhereTheTimeGoes · 05/05/2014 22:23

Evening all,

A nice day here, busy but not rushed. Started with DS's maths homework which luckily was fairly easy, then off out for a walk and picnic lunch at a local NT place, plus a bit of hide and seek in the gardens. Home for a few odd jobs and then out for a short cycle ride late afternoon to a park about a mile away, found a couple of geocaches en route. We are definitely getting the geocache bug.

Flying wise, not much, changed the DCs beds, washed and dried sheets. That's about all.

Welcome back to Trazzles and Carpe, good to "see" you both again. also welcome to Iamdivergent.

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GoingGoingGoth · 05/05/2014 22:28

Links for Tuesday 6th May

Babystep 6 is to learn about Hotspots Nope not a sign of the early menopause, it's somewhere that clutter accumulates until it takes over. We only tackle them for 2 minutes at a time.

Daily Focus for Tuesday is planning, menu planning, activity planning etc.

This week we're in Zone 2, the Kitchen. IF you are decluttered, here is the Deep Cleaning List

This week's missions, today's we should scrub the work-surfaces in the kitchen. Don't take everything off that makes it a huge job just do a section at a time.

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Swanhildapirouetting · 05/05/2014 23:09

Nice visit to Funfair, ds2 in heaven, and enjoying all the caterpillar/merryground rides still, and practising his overarm bowling on the coconut shy type stalls Smile So long walk for both of us.

Melatonin discussion in relation to bedwetting interesting as my brother was a wonderful sleeper up to his teens but a terrible bedwetter, also drank pints of milk and sacks of cereal, so Alice may be you are right it can over do things.

Toffee I had heard that thing about blue light before and I shouldn't be on the computer now We are struggling to stop ds1 go on dsi before bed, or dd to go on her phone before bed (confiscation proving only solution)
The other thing I read recently which was very interesting was that exposure to sun BEFORE 12am midday, increased eve melatonin in children and teens and meant their sleep patterns were better. So we now open ds1's window in the morning and the kitchen window so that even if we aren't outside unadulterated sun comes in. I don't know whether it counts if sun comes through glass.. Makes it very hard doesn't for children/teens though when most of their pre-midday waking hours are spent indoors. Even sport is usually after lunch.

Blue I remember three year old dd being the most trying experience of my entire life, just the impossibility of finding what she wanted and why she was screaming so I can sympathise with 3-6 year olds being very exhausting irrational beings, whilst in hindsight needing an enormous amount of love and understanding. Poor you. Hope tomorrow is better and tv crew (if I understand rightly) gets a good picture for campaign

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GoingGoingGoth · 05/05/2014 23:15

SUMMARY

Trazzles'is back! Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
J has been swimming (such good news) and things are looking up

Mercury & Toffee both got a lie ins.

Alice is bee free and is decluttering. Good luck

newlark's show went well, so had a quiet day on Sunday

SC has a BSA from riding. (Horses) Remember 50 is the new 30 Cake

It's also Bitchy's birthday this week, not sure if I should mention it here, but I think it's time for one of our virtual piss ups parties.

PA says hello, hope she's doing ok.

Swan has holiday booking problems hides the fact you said history was boring

to CarpeJugulum "Hello stranger" Grin

Engels has been to the zoo!

Good luck with the TV people tomorrow Blue

WhoKnows went geocaching. Envy We've got 2 in our local park, really must do it rather than just talk about it, I really enjoyed it the time I did it.

Fairly relaxing day here, apart from Dd wetting herself because she couldn't be bothered to come in from the garden. Sad She wasn't impressed at being stuck in the bath and having an early night, but we're not going there again. (I hope)

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ToffeeWhirl · 06/05/2014 02:25

Up at this silly time because DS1 was in a state and I needed to sit up with him. He's just settled to sleep.

I'm looking forward to the melatonin .

Ed psych is visiting tomorrow afternoon, so will have to do a house bleugh before then. She might report me to social services if it looks like it does at the moment.

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CallingAllEngels · 06/05/2014 06:23

I was up at about that time too toffee - ds on another ninja mission. When it failed he threw all his covers on the floor, pulled off his pyjamas and nappy and had a paddy when I took him back to bed. Just had to wake the little blighter up!

Have a nice day everyone.

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MercuryRising · 06/05/2014 07:28

Quick ta da
Beds made
Dw unloaded and reloaded
Lunches made
Recycling bagged up
Dc up, fed, ready for school
Rr living room

Just need to hang the wasging out and we are ready to goSmile

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slackcabbage · 06/05/2014 07:50

Good morning fledglings!

Thanks for fab round-ups Goth - they really help to stay on top of the thread!

You are on a roll Mercury!

Aw at your nappy-clad ds having a paddy Engels (although probably not so endearing in the early hrs for you admittedly)

Sorry your sleep was interrupted yet again Toffee - here's hoping the melatonin works

Other than unpacking, cleaning kit, doing laundry, schools runs, hwk supervision and cooking supper - yesterday was a right off really. But I'm feeling much perkier today, so taking inspiration from Mercury and others, I am on a mission ... . I'm going to ration the Mnsetting and get properly stuck in to the boudoir ... no excuses ... . Just hate it constantly looking like a bomb-site and it's starting to really impact negatively on our morning routine

Ta da:
Morning routine inc dw, wm, s&s, rabbits
As dd (unusually) didn't feel like cereal, made her a bacon sandwich and resisted eating one myself
Made a decision about dd's party which we are having two months early for various reasons this year
Found elusive party file
Watered seedlings

To do:
boudoir
more laundry
on-line shopping parcels
make pasta sauce for supper
and possibly Dutch apple cake (depending on progress)
shoes on line
finalise payments/bookings dd party
school run
hwk supervision
supper
afternoon/evening routine
15 mins lurching loving movement (such a barftastic phrase that!)
bed

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slackcabbage · 06/05/2014 07:51

Oops - pressed post prematurely!

Have a productive day everyone!

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slackcabbage · 06/05/2014 07:56

Forgot:
bk window cleaner
bk vet

Big feathery waves to all!

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BitchyVstheUFOs · 06/05/2014 08:25

morning.

fresh bread for breakfast anyone?

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ToffeeWhirl · 06/05/2014 08:38
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Swanhildapirouetting · 06/05/2014 09:55

just a tip if you fit in a historical walk tomorrow Toffee (and survive Ed Pysch visit pre-tidy today Sad) Ds2 did a local history project for school aged 8, and he absolutely loved walking around chatting, and taking photos of the buildings and sorting them into Victorian, Georgian and 30's or Modern, taking note of things like garages in post war houses. Dd hates walking!

So, despite getting up at 6.30, dd rang up from school saying she felt ill. So I had to pick her up, not the best news from an attendance percentage angle..She is now moping round the house.

I am tackling the garden today. Lots of green rubbish, and the perennial problem of Steptoes yard. Only I am lying down first, feel a bit wobbly after getting everyone off to school with PE kits and homework, and picking up dd.

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Swanhildapirouetting · 06/05/2014 10:03

Oh yes and I take it back about the history, as it was actually quite interesting, How To Become a Knight. Ds2 told me that the important thing was to have a bath first Shock, then you sat up all night praying, then you were knighted..Then we discussed Princes in the Tower and whether Richard killed them or not, at which point I suddenly decided it was a pointless discussion as every king in history has killed many many (presumably innocent)people, either through war or execution. Why pick on Richard anyway?

list
get rid of redundant mops in garden
throw out old daffs
bag up old garden cuttings x 3 bags
food compost bucket, order new one and dispose of existing
move rubbish to the front
stack empty terracotta pots
get rid of paint pots
sweep up mud

utility. wash coat, wash blanket
cat food bowls dw
rugby boots shake out
more books upstairs to landing

no more washing till existing stuff sorted out

boudoir - put away clean clothes so it doesn't revert
hoover dh's side of the bed
clean basin in boudoir
take washing downstairs to main pile

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dizzyday07 · 06/05/2014 10:35

(Sneaks in and leaves Brew and Cake in the naughty corner)

DD bought herself some rollerskates on Saturday so for the rest of the weekend they seem to have been surgically attached to her feet and she has wanted to go out practicing hourly! Hopefully it will strengthen her legs and her breaststroke will be even better Grin

As her school project this term is Romans, we popped down to Bath to visit the baths and met up with my sister for lunch too.

Ta Da

  • Multiple loads of laundry in and hung outside to dry
  • Dry clothes and towels put away
  • Potted on some veg seedlings and covered potatoes with more soil
  • Went for a run
  • Homework supervised
  • Studiously ignored the mess(es) DH has made in the kitchen so he had to do the washing up himself Grin
  • Put suitcases back out in the garage
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