Calling all art historians/those knowledgeable on art

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Morning!
Will be bumping all day to hopefully get some tips from any of you lovely lot. Many thanks in advance for any pointers
DD (15) has to do a talk about how European countries are linked by art.
The school subject is social studies. I thought it was how art unites us culturally and pointed her to europeana's art history challenge but apparently this was very wrong and it is meant to be a short history of european art history/what european countries have in common.
Which sounds ridiculously wide in scope and complex for a teenager.
I gather from wiki that european art stemmed from Roman/Greek art and christianity??

Sorry to sound so thick but could anyone give an idea as to what/how much she should be covering in general terms. Has she really got to go through each movement/type (she can't surely, I just counted 53) or is there an easier way of tackling it?
Any help appreciated. Other kids have got music, politics, etc so it must be to do what we have in common despite individual cultures?

www.europeana.eu/portal/en/exhibitions/faces-of-europe/introduction#ve-anchor-section_169-js

first bump. Have just been through the art challenge short exhibition (summaries as opposed to each chapter separately) and it went: gothic, renaissance, baroque, romanticism (revolution) neoclassic (landscape) [impressionism, symbolism], realism, expressionism, cubism, [op art, conceptualism, anti-art, performance art] pop art
[ ] glossed over.
It does have more detailed chapters and in the short summaries a few examples from across Europe.

and according to art history for dummies, I may have misinterpreted that timeline
www.dummies.com/education/art-appreciation/art-history-timeline/

I wouldn’t suggest she tries to do a ‘grand tour’ of European Art since the Dark Ages. Expensive presentation training once taught me that a good way to structure an oral presentation is to define three key points that make your argument and then say three interesting things about each of them.

Would it work to look at the different ways that art trancends national borders? Movements like Modernism had different flavours in, say, the UK, Germany and Italy, but were identifiably part of the same thing. Individuals like Holbein crossed Europe to find work, bringing their ideas with them. There are lots of different examples, and she could pick the ones that appeal to her most. Is she able to use visual aids?

Ooh hello. Thank you for replying
talking of dark ages She's allowed to make a poster. I know.
Art transcending borders is a lovely idea but I don't personally know enough to guide her (ie I just had to look up Holbein)
I know Valette came to Manchester and taught Lowry but I cannot see how Lowry was influenced by him apart from urban setting. Matchstick men don't seem very impressionist to me. I am aware I sound like a pleb.

I woul agree... lots of artists travelled and worked with or exhibited with others..i would base it on that..making a chain of maybe 3 or 4 who moved around and were influenced by eachother..and led to specific movements / influences..

I did recognise the tudor portraits though. So was Holbein the liar that made Anne of Cleves look good?!!

How was Dürrer influenced by his trip to Italy? anyone know?!

sorry Dürer

found it - he introduced italian renaissance style to Germany what does mean in simple terms

I’ll reply in a min I’m on a boring conference call!!!

thank you lovely.
I have learnt that Dürer made woodcuts popular in Italy.
I knew about the rhino but not that it was in Lisbon!

So it was all six degrees of separation with artists having patrons allowing them to travel and lots of communication with fellow artists by letter?
I don't know why I don't know this. But I also don't understand how teacher expects them to know it (DD is in year 9 German high school, that's why Dürer would be a good example and Holbein. I am a Brit who does not know much about art. Maybe a bit about shock art but only cos I appear to have My Bed in my house):

A map would be good. With the journey trails on. DD likes maps.

Sorry, back now.

Trying to think of this from a 15 YO point of view, and not over doing it is the key I think.

I'd take some key and easy to relate to ideas.... one that instantly springs to mind is the painted ceiling at the old naval hall. The ceiling has not long been restored and is often referred to as Englands Sistene Chapel. It was painted by an English artist in the early 1700's. The sistene ceiling was painted 200 years before, so the artist who painted the hall must have heard/seen/been influenced by the great works in Italy. She could research this and give some theories or factual points about how both the admiration of such great work then translates into a 'fashion' for doing things a certain way, and how that travels? Did the artist travel to Italy? Did he write about being insprired? does this show a fashion cycling?

She could also pick a 'movement' - I'm thinking of ones which may be easy to research - impressionists is the obvious one but she could also try William Morris's arts and crafts, or pre-raphaelites, see who the founding members and subsequent members are and I'd bet you'll find infiltrating cultures/members other than British. These people were like-minded souls who invariably met at university on 'tours' and again, she could demonstrate how a like-minded or revolutionary approach to art brought these people together?

On a wider picture, Cezanne (born in France) famously travelled and painted in Tahiti, so she could also use that one as an example of how work could be spread even further than Europe. He also worked closely with Gaugin and Pissaro, and they two would have travelled and this would be documented somewhere (trying to give you threads to research here as otherwise I'll go into a wormhole and spend all day looking at art instead of boring spreadsheets).

Hopefully that helps a bit.

Bless you thank you. Don't go down that rabbit hole! I should be cleaning my house [wind] and taking DS out. Has to be europe only sadly. If only she had got music, I do like eurovision. Cheers angel.

angel even

[Wind?] that will be the whoosh as the deadline goes by...
Douglas Adams knew what he was talking about obviously.

www.curbed.com/2017/4/3/15164752/restoration-historic-preservation-old-royal-naval-collage-ceiling-mural

for anyone else as ignorant as I

A map's a great idea...artists influence each other most of all but pretty much every country in Europe had artists in Paris at the end of the 19th century so maybe that could be a focal point. Impressionism, art nouveau, the move from academic art to realism. 19th period of industrialisation so arts and crafts/artist colonies in several countries across Europe. Art Nouveau/Jugendstil - lots of different versions of that in different European countries (dragons in Norway!). Or maybe a theme (women artists) or type of art (portraits/landscapes). Or maybe six artists showing their routes and interconnections?

It was Gauguin in Tahiti, wasn't it?

Could it me about patronage?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patronage

Who commissions the artists?

1. Church/Religious perspectives
2. Powerful/Rich families
3. Individual perception/viewpoint

ah, just seen DD in German high school...Durer definitely a good idea then! Huge traveller and famous in his lifetime - died v. rich and development of German printing obviously influential in reproducing woodcuts etc. So maybe Northern renaissance, Cranach etc.

“The Shock of the New” was our go-to book on 20th Century art when I was at college back in the 20th Century and I still find it very readable. The TV series on which it was based seems to be on YouTube, though Robert Hughes’s presenting style not to mention his hairstyle make it feel a bit dated.

Didn't the teacher give any guidance in class time? What did the teacher talk about in the lesson where the homework was set? (Speaking as someone who once gave students a point by point run down of what I expected from a particular assignment, only to have someone ask 'what are we supposed to do for this assignment?'

That particular teacher, no. Self-reliance huge thing here oh the fecking irony as I ask for help on her behalf
She set them a project last term on equality as she was going to be off six weeks - they taught themselves. DD has repeated a year so some are only 14. She's 15. At that time Me too was all kicking off so DD was good at informing herself and already had lots of opinions.
This week I am trying to pitch in as she has 2 important tests to help pass the year and two other presentations - homosexuality in ethics (A group one and she is trying hard to stop it from sounding homophobic - her friends want to do a Guess which celeb is gay round then talk about AIDS) and a book report on The Wave.
So yes, back to this: they have been told to talk about commonality in Europe (Europe not EU) and she got art although she might have volunteered for that topic I would not put it past her but if she did she's not admitting it
I will ask her again on her return, grab her textbook, tie her to a chair and come back here in a bit. Thank you all so far. At least I won't be accused of not wanting to help her [eyeroll emoticon] but the pressure here, jesus, it's not even coursework or exam work, it's the pervasive continuous assessment to make it from one year to the next. The private tuition industry is a thriving one. As we cannot afford that, I do my best to help when I can. On this topic, I have not a clue.

gasp probably! Doing that from memory and my art history is a long way back in the dusty corners of grey matter!! It was one of those three, certainly.