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Parents and step-parents will require a CRB check to HE their own children.

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Bubble99 · 30/11/2009 20:19

here

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edam · 30/11/2009 20:25

It doesn't say that, it refers to anyone the parents employ to educate the child.

Bubble99 · 30/11/2009 20:36

But if the parents aren't employing anyone else, as they are doing the tutoring, they will be subject to CRB checks as 'the tutor', no?

'Parents and step-parents' reads to me as people who may live with the child.

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Bubble99 · 30/11/2009 20:45

"Current guidance states that parents may employ other people to educate their children and that parents are responsible for 'ensuring that those whom they engage are suitable to have access to children'. Registration would not of itself prevent those who have a conviction for offences against children, including parents, step-parents or privately-employed home tutors, from home educating children. Criminal Records Bureau (CRB) checks should be a requirement of registration."

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juuule · 30/11/2009 20:53

"Registration would not of itself prevent those who have a conviction for offences against children, including parents, ....., from home educating children. Criminal Records Bureau (CRB) checks should be a requirement of registration."

So Ofsted want CRB checks to be a requirement to home-ed your own children.

At least that's how it reads to me.

edam · 30/11/2009 21:00

Hmm, think it's badly worded and ambiguous. But I suspect they mean CRB checks for tutors, not for parents. The latter would be ridiculous!

Bubble99 · 30/11/2009 21:07

The latter would be on a par with compulsory ID cards as they may improve national security.

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Tinuviel · 30/11/2009 21:51

The way I read it was that parents would need a CRB check!! How completely ridiculous.

Bubble99 · 30/11/2009 22:10

I know of three families locally who haven't put their children into primary school until they're 7, as they feel they are too young to be at school. This will mean that, as their children are beyond compulsory school age, they will be CRB checked to look after their own children at home.

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piscesmoon · 30/11/2009 22:28

The whole thing is ridiculous-whether or not they go to school! When you have a system where volunteer parents can't join CRB checked staff, and a police escort, to walk a class of DCs a few hundred yards to the church for a carol service you can tell the world has gone mad!! Hopefully common sense will cut in soon. I don't think that we should be giving our DCs the idea that every adult is a threat. If a DC is HEed I think it could be safely assumed that the parent will make their own judgements for their own DCs.

julienoshoes · 30/11/2009 23:01

Yes it is reported here

"Parents who teach their own children at home must undergo criminal records checks, say Government education inspectors."

I went to one of the Ofsted meetings last week, and when I bought this up with the Inspector, he didn't deny it though he had obviously been challenged with it before.

piscesmoon · 01/12/2009 08:30

He must have been challenged before-we should all be challenging it-for the good of all children. The whole system is cumbersome, time consuming and costly-also it only proves that an adult has no convictions yet.

julienoshoes · 01/12/2009 10:05

There you go Piscesmoon!
I knew there must be something is this world that we could agree on!

LauraIngallsWilder · 01/12/2009 15:58

This is making me cry

And its going to cost us money isnt it? £64?
Every two years.............

Just to prove what exactly

All this govt interferrance is making me feel so utterly miserable

What do they hope to achieve exactly

My son was becoming psychologically unhinged whilst at school. So now he is HEd - and now apparantly the govt want to interfere
Even though his school failed him totally

He is 8 and at his moment his using his microscope to look at some sugar granules

piscesmoon · 01/12/2009 19:04

I'm behind you all the way, for once, julienoshoes!

Bubble99 · 01/12/2009 19:30

Laura. Don't cry. This will require changes in law that I don't think the gov will be able to get through before the next election.

Lord Lucas (gawd bless him!) has made it very clear that he is on the case and, as an apparently very well respected peer, he carries a lot of clout in the HOL. I reckon most of Badman's stuff will either get trounced by The Lords or, at the very least, kicked well into the long grass by them until after the next general election.

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Bubble99 · 01/12/2009 20:13

I also can't see any court upholding a SAO issued on the back of an 'interview' carried out by two Ofsted inspectors on, say, a six year old, without parental consent or presence.

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LauraIngallsWilder · 01/12/2009 20:55

Bubbles Do you really think all will be ok in the end?
I am soooooo worried about this, today in particular
I have just watched lord lucas and his speech in the lords - made me weep all over again when he referred to "the second group of HErs who do so because their childs school has failed to cope with their special needs" (my phrasing)

Given how awful some schools apparently are they ought to sort them out before fussing about with our kids

What a waste of time and money

Wouldnt it be great if Ralph (for that is Lord Lucas first name!) could sort it so that we get the £1000 as £ to spend on HE rather than it all going on administration of us. I know such money comes with strings attached but...... I wouldnt mind a few very small strings if they gave us money! Better than £1000 pa being spent on admin and HErs not seeing a penny

julienoshoes · 02/12/2009 08:27

No such things as small strings with this Government IMO Laura.

LauraIngallsWilder · 02/12/2009 15:48

JNS - I added that bit about small strings just for you, because I KNEW you couldnt resist commenting on it

julienoshoes · 02/12/2009 19:39

John Hemming MP is being supportive to his home educating constituents and, true to his word, has acted on the petition. You can see from the video and text evidence below that John has presented the petition and that in his presentation speech has highlighted the fact that this is the first of many..

Text of John's p...resentation speech: www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2009-12-01a.1080.0&s=speaker%3A11420#g1080.1

Video of coverage from the House - see around 07:31~32 minutes: www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=5196

bananabrain · 02/12/2009 21:01

Do MPs present the petitions on different days, or all at the same time? Please excuse my ignorance! I'm just wondering how long it will be before the 200+ I've heard should be being presented (is that figure right?) will have been presented - and we can find out if there is any response from the govt.
Let's hope that the petitions, along with Lord Lucas' influence, will do some good. Never thought I'd be watching the proceedings in the HOL with such interest!

julienoshoes · 02/12/2009 22:58

I'll find out!

HugeBaublesWhatDidISayRoy · 03/12/2009 16:03

I really think there should be some kind of protest marches getting underway. There are thousands and thousands of us up and down the country. We are doing petitions which is great but I think we need to be more visible in our actions.

Gawd knows how one would organise such a thing though.

LauraIngallsWilder · 03/12/2009 21:58

I am going to 'help' someone else deliver a petition to my local mp about this tommorrow. [wobble]

I have no idea whether he will be supportive or not.............

I would never have guess when we started HE 4 months ago it would lead to me meeting the local mp as a result

And from an educational/community involvement perspective ds and dd will too

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