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I think my daughter is being picked on because of prejudices against HE but don't know how to handle it

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musicposy · 15/11/2009 22:25

Hi there, I'm fairly regular on here. My daughters are both HE, the youngest for nearly 2 and a half years now.

DD2 does quite a lot of stage work. She's good at acting and dancing and gets accepted at auditions quite a lot. Last year she did panto and had lots of fun doing it, so this year she auditioned again. She was lucky to be one of the ones chosen out of a huge number of children.

Last year the lady who ran it was lovely. She praised DD2 a lot and gave her some extra acting parts as she told us she was so impressed with her. This year has been trouble from the off.

Firstly, you have to have a performance licence, and for this you need permission to be absent from school. We've had loads of these in the past and we just send a standard letter saying she's home educated, we set our own hours and dates and therefore she doesn't need it. The council have always been more than happy with this.

The woman running it was immediately funny with us over this. She emailed asking why she was home educated - was it medical or behavioural - because she would have to consider whether she was suitable to work for them. I replied that it was neither, it was personal choice and that DD2 had done lots of stage work, including pantomime for her company last year, and never had a problem.

Since rehearsals have begun, however, there's been nothing but trouble. She seems to pick on DD2 for everything and DD2 has come home and cried before now. She told DH today that she had thought there would be problems with DD2 from the off as she obviously never socialised (!) and thought DD2 acted weirdly with other children. DH was inwardly spitting at the ignorance but calmly asked her to elaborate. She said DD2 had been rubbing another child's arms so she had made her sit apart from the others for the duration of the rehearsal. DD2 rather tearfully told me the other little girl had said she was cold (it was just one of those things kids do) but this woman had come over and screamed at her and sat her apart. DD2 is rather articulate in stating her case - a product of the home ed which I think is generally good - and this angered her even further!

DD2 uses a shortened version of her name as she hates the long version. I have put her down as the shortened version on all the forms, but of course, the birth certificate for the performance licence has the long version on. I clearly stated "known as short version" on everything. This is something we do everywhere from doctors to the LA and everyone has it noted and is happy with it. (I've even talked about deed poll with a solicitor friend of mine who reassures me that "known as" is perfectly valid). But this woman refuses to call her the shortened version of her name. DD2 has asked a few times, very politely, but this has only angered her more and she has said she will be called what she's told.

The thing is, I don't really know what to do. I sent a polite email asking if she would please call DD2 short version and saying we would be surprised and concerned if she found cause for complaint with DD2, and upset that she should think the home ed is an issue, but I haven't had a reply yet.

If it continues, what would you do?

Tell DD2 to stick it out and let it wash over her (I've done this so far but it appears to be escalating)?

Complain to the production company who employ her - who quite frankly I don't think will give a toss on the grounds that there will be 300 other children immediately willing to take her place?

Pull her out of the panto?

I don't like feeling that she is being picked on because of the home ed, but that's certainly how it seems - and I don't think I'm being over sensitive. DD2 has attended so many things like this in the past and it's the very first time we've ever run into problems.

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Bubble99 · 15/11/2009 23:44

Pull her out. Some you win and some you lose. This woman has got it in for her and will screw up any chance she has of enjoying the performance.

I've recently had parents of my DS1's ex-school friends refuse to let their children come to my son's party as they want to 'teach us a lesson' about the 'social consequences' of HE.

madwomanintheattic · 15/11/2009 23:53

is dd2 actually going to enjoy it if this woman is involved? if not, just walk.

there is obviously a different vibe this year (and don't forget there will be a different dynamic with different kids/ adults, as well as an extra year for everyone to get a few new hormones lol.) it's always difficult when you've had such a good experience to settle for anything less. it's a shame - the new woman is obviously carrying some baggage - maybe with he, maybe not. she may have had a princess or two in the past, or been involved doing performance work with an education otherwise group - no way of knowing really, but she's obviously not taking dd on face value. if dd is mature enough to make the decision herself, let her.

the name thing is just a bit silly though tbh. adults are too weird. why on earth should it matter to this woman what dd is called? fruticake.

ThatVikRinA22 · 16/11/2009 00:09

i think id cut my losses, then complain about the miserable cow running the show to the production company. what does your DD want to do?

ProfessorLaytonIsMyLoveSlave · 16/11/2009 00:22

How old is DD2? What does she think?

TBH I would probably pull her out. This is just going to escalate and goodness only knows where it will end up.

julienoshoes · 16/11/2009 06:15

Musicposy
I would discuss this further with your daughter and make it clear, that she has a say in the decision (as I am certain you will have anyway, having met you)
If it were me and my Dd2, I'd also have researched other drama production schemes and classes so that together we could discuss options.

I can't see how your Dd2 can be enjoying this anyway.
If you pull her out, I would complain in writing to the owners-they will support their staff member no doubt, but the complaint would be there in writing and if someone else complains about her in the future.......

One of the joys of home ed for me, is that you can walk away from people as narrow minded and bullying as this lady appears to be.
We wouldn't put up with it as adults, why should children?

sarah293 · 16/11/2009 08:02

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musicposy · 16/11/2009 22:56

Aah, the plot thickens.

I've had an email from this woman saying that she felt DD2's behaviour is very different from the other children. Apparently when the woman told her off DD2 answered back and then went and sat down at the other end of the room and refused to listen to her any more. And yes, I'll be the first person to admit this sort of thing is a product of home ed because she just won't be trampled over by adults any more if she feels they are being unjust, and why should she? I don't subscribe to this "I'm an adult so you do what I tell you and put up and shut up" type of attitude, which this woman seems to have. Anyway, she said she wanted reassurance that DD2 mixed with other children because as a chaperone she is trained to report any children showing child welfare issues. There was definitely a not-so-veiled threat there.

I emailed back, maybe in too much haste, saying I felt she had ready made assumptions about home ed children, and as a teacher there's not much you can't tell me about child welfare etc. I said I was sad that this was not turning out to be like all the other lovely experiences she has had on stage. I think I probably said too much, too stroppily, but I was so mad with the woman and her deliberate looking for differences in DD2. It's made me realise that I've been quite lucky so far as I've met very little real prejudice up until now.

Now, what to do next. Julie, you're right, I have talked to DD2 but she says she wants to keep doing it because she is enjoying seeing friends there who did it last year. Also, as well as us, just about every family member and friend we know has bought tickets and the damn things are non refundable, so I will feel a bit of an obligation to them - though obviously DD2s welfare must come first.

I'd love to pull her out TBH, as this woman shows herself in everything she says and does to be prejudiced and bullying, and I am worried she really will find an excuse to raise a welfare concern over DD2 (which is absolutely ridiculous as anyone else who has met her will verify!). I'd heard she was very shouty and short tempered from other parents at the audtition as she'd worked there 2 years ago, apparently, and some parents walked away when they realised it was her in charge. Wish I had been so wise!

If I pull DD2 out I will definitely complain to the production company, and maybe the LA who issues her chaperone license, but I very much doubt I will get anywhere. I'm also worried that if I complain to the LA about her, she will put in concern about DD2. Mind you, anyone coming to meet her would immediately see it is nonsense, but I'd rather not have to go through that.

Sad that something DD2 did for a bit of fun has turned out to be such a PITA. Still, you live and learn.

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Tinuviel · 17/11/2009 10:54

Could you not complain to the production company and LA without pulling your DD out? If the woman isn't doing her job professionally, which by the sound of it she isn't, then she shouldn't be doing the job and I am sure the production company would like to know that.

loveandlight · 18/11/2009 23:38

I would also be making indirect threats to her as well to fire a warning shot because the way she is behaving towards your DC would give me some child protection concerns about her. Keep a diary as well noting everything she says and does in case you need to rely upon it later. I always do this and it has always held me in good stead. That will give you a sense of empowerment and confidence and you won't feel so vulnerable towards her then.

Your DC sounds lovely by the way and she would have my heart if I was running a class with her in it.

Has your DC noticed she is being treated differently by this small minded woman?

piscesmoon · 19/11/2009 08:36

I agree with loveandlight and keep a log of every incident. I would call it bullying.

perfectstorm · 19/11/2009 08:46

I'd log every incident in a diary too, and then complain to the LA and the production company. Loudly. She's not fit to mind goldfish, never mind a group of kids. How dare she threaten you, too? If you print off the email exchanges and send them in.

I lol'd at her outrage at a child not meekly accepting unfair attack. Not exactly cause for welfare concern in the mind of anyone who actually likes children, is it?

Fillyjonk · 22/11/2009 10:19

musicposy, how utterly horrible for you and your daughter

I think

  1. There are very clear child protection issues here. You need to keep a log.
  1. If she is treating your daughter like this because she is HE'd, odds are she is treating other kids in an unpleasent fashion also, for different reasons. Perhaps your daughter is the only one standing up for herself, or perhaps the only one who doesnt' just accept it. But that doesn't mean she is the only one being targeted. The fact that she is prepared to behave like this to a child shows that there is a wider issue.

I don't know much about this, but is your daughter working for them? IIRC there are quite strigent laws about kids working. This is potentially a bullying at work issue.

You know, if she is coping ok, I'd keep her in as long as she wants to stay, but keep and log and be assetive. And even if you don't think it will work, I'd start complaining.

Absolutely keep a log, emails, any witnesses and so forth.

Are you known to your LEA and are they sympathetic? What I mean is, can she cause real harm to you and your family?

robberbutton · 22/11/2009 13:32

Hi musicposy, I don't have any advice but just wanted to say it sounds awful what this woman is doing - I hope it ends well and your daughter has a lovely time in the panto (if you keep her in the show).

We're pretty new to HE (my oldest is just 4) but had our first negative reaction recently from a health visitor coming to see DD2 (6 weeks). She wanted to know whether DS was in school yet and I told her we were going to HE (d'oh!). Long sharp intake of breath, then 'you'll find that really difficult, won't you?' (furiously making notes in her book) I did ask her if she had any experience of working with HE families/children and she said no! Will have to develop a very thick skin.

Anyway, good luck with your situation [hugs].

dandycandyjellybean · 18/12/2009 17:57

What happened in the end musicposy?

LynetteScavo · 18/12/2009 18:03

Oooh, I didn't realise this happened last month...yes, what did you do...have is your DD mnow?
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musicposy · 27/12/2009 21:55

Hi there, yes she's in the panto at present and enjoying it very much - things seem to have sorted themselves out.

DD2 was keen to stay put, and after a few rather furious emails over it all, we seemed to reach a bit of a truce.

She's actually been very nice to DD2 since then, so things have worked out well. And, to her credit, she has organised lovely parties etc for the children, and run the whole thing well. So I think it's all behind us now. The price I paid was she virtually took me off the chaperone rota (saying she had too many chaperones and had to share it out evenly, which was didn't make any sense as she actually had to get other people from other groups to take over what I would have done). So, instead of chaperoning backstage which I normally do, most of the time I've been excluded from all of that. Plus the chaperones get to help with the party etc, but she told me those perks were basically only for those who had been in helping her all the time. It would have been tempting to point out that it was hardly my choice that I wasn't, but it's about DD2, not me, so 3 hours spent hanging around in McDonalds or a tenner spent to watch DD2 in it (it's too far to go home in the time) is a small price to pay.

I'm not sure we will do it next year, mind you. I can see that DD2 might want to because there's a maximum height limit of 5' for the children - and she's 10 now, so next year will almost certainly be her last opportunity to do it. However, we will cross that bridge when we come to it - that will be DD2's decision.

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