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We are due an EWO visit tomorrow....

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TooTicky · 05/05/2008 23:32

.... I meant to say we didn't want to be visited but ds2 had an unexpected stay in hospital and I completely forgot about it until the weekend. They are due tomorrow afternoon. Can I still, with any dignity, phone in the morning and ask them not to come?

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TeenyTinyTorya · 05/05/2008 23:47

Of course you can. You have the right to refuse anyway, no-one can come into your house if you don't want them to. I'm sure if you ring up and explain they won't have a problem.

TooTicky · 05/05/2008 23:50

Do you think? I'm all paranoia!

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julienoshoes · 06/05/2008 07:00

Yes I think so too.
Ring up first thing, tell them you can't make the home visit, but will be in touch in writing instead.
Take the name of the person you spoke to, saying "can I just have your name please, to prove I have actually made this call".
That way there will be more onus on that person to pass the message along.

Then go out this afternoon! Don't be there to answer the door.

Make sure you do write soon and tell them that you prefer to supply information about the education you are providing, in writing instead of having a home visit.
Tell them the date that you will supply this by. (Give yourself some time to produce it too!)

You need to tell them this in writing soon, so that relieve their anxiety that you are avoiding giving them information.

Then everything should be fine

gagarin · 06/05/2008 07:45

Surely if you home educate all the stuff an EWO would need to see/be aware of is near to hand (curriculum/written work/project stuff) - like all over your dining room!

So phone and ask to speak to the EWO this morning and have a chat about the purpose of the visit. They are just people you know. I think by ringing and avoiding speaking to the EWO if he/she's there at their desk and then being out in the afternoon might suggest a visit would be more indicated than less!

If it is a box ticking "not locked under the stairs" visit that should be eay enough to deal with. If it is in depth work based then I would have thought you'd be better off postponing and sending required info through post if this is appropriate.

julienoshoes · 06/05/2008 08:29

But gagrin there is no reason for the EWO top see curriculum/written stuff/ project stuff. The LA may make informal enquiries if they have reason to beleive an education is not taking place.

They have no duty to monitor at all.
How to offer the information about the home ed being provided is the parents.

There is no 'box ticking "not locked under the stairs" visit' to do. Home education in itself is not a welfare concern.

The Government is very clear about this.
In their [L=Elective Home Education Guidelines for LAs] www.dfes.gov.uk/localauthorities/_documents/content/7373-DCSF-Elective%20Home%20Education.pdf [/L] they state
'Some parents may welcome the opportunity to discuss the provision that they are making
for the child?s education during a home visit but parents are not legally required to give the local authority access to their home. They may choose to meet a local authority representative at a mutually convenient and neutral location instead, with or without the child being present, or choose not to meet at all. Where a parent elects not to allow access to their home or their child, this does not of itself constitute a ground for concern about the education provision being made.'

In seven years of home educating we have never had a home visit, the LA have never met the children and have never seen any of their work.

The children did not wish to meet with the LA nor share any of their work with them.
We couldn't think of a single thing that the LA could give us in terms of support or advice that the HE community could not provide, and as there is no legal obligation to have a home visit, we chose not to.

Instead our choice was to send in written information and the LA have accepted it with no problems.

The OP clearly states that they don't want to be visited. So they shouldn't have to have one.
Doesn't matter what the EWO thinks.

julienoshoes · 06/05/2008 08:33

Oops sorry forgot I was on mumsnet and not parents centre!

This is the link to the Governement guidelines for LAs

and of course I should have said
Choice of how to offer the information about the home ed being provided, is the parents

must remember to preview posts before sending!

gagarin · 06/05/2008 08:42

You mean no Ofsted or anything? Seems odd? But if that's the way it is

Now you have said that if I were the OP I'd be wondering what has prompted the EWO visit!

I think I'd still want to phone and speak to them rather than just be out - to find out exactly WHY they wanted to come if it's against suggested guidelines.

julienoshoes · 06/05/2008 09:04

Oh, there is no duty to monitor or to visit, but case law has stated that if an LA asks for information, we would be sensible to supply it.
The LAs would ALWAYS prefer to have a home visit-that is why the EWO wants to do this one. The vast majority of LAs misrepresent the law to infer that home visits are compulsory.
But just because the LA/EWO wants to do it, doesn't mean the OP has to have one.

I didn't suggest she should 'just be out' I said "Ring up first thing, tell them you can't make the home visit, but will be in touch in writing instead."

Thinking home educating families will be Ofstedded/monitored in some way, is a common misconception.

To understand you need to know that a child's education is always the parent's responsibility-
Section 7 of the Education Act 1996
provides that:
?The parent of every child of compulsory school age shall cause him to receive efficient
full-time education suitable ?
(a) to his age, ability and aptitude, and
(b) to any special educational needs he may have, either by regular attendance at school or otherwise.?

Most parents delegate this responsibility to the state.

It is the otherwise bit that allows us to home educate.

If you stop and think about it, schools are inspected/monitored;
a] so that parents can be told if the school are providing a suitable and efficient education for their children
and
b] to prove they are offering 'Value for Money' for the tax payer, who is providing the funds.

With home based education,
a] the education isn't being provided by anyone else, so we don't need Ofsted to go in and find out about it for us.
and
b] we are not using any of tax payers money-so we don't need to account for it, or to be measured to see if we are giving value for money.

Fillyjonk · 06/05/2008 09:09

hi ticky have emailed you chocolate

btw gagarin the EWO is generally quite random in who they visit, but tooticky is probably being visited because she has withdrawn a child from school (rather than never sending them) and so is on their radar.

TooTicky · 06/05/2008 11:54

Thank you, especially Julienoshoes
I phoned and spoke to EWO this morning, said we were unprepared for today anyway because of hospital complications last week, then said that actually it would work better for us if we sent in information. So there we are.
We have two weeks to get in touch.

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julienoshoes · 06/05/2008 12:33

When did you start home educating TooTicky?

TooTicky · 06/05/2008 13:03

I took dd1 out of school in September due to seemingly unresolvable non-friendship problems. She has a place at secondary school for this September.
I am very torn though. The local school is excellent in many ways but I wonder about Heing my younger children. Although I don't know how practical it would be, partly because I need to find some way of earning at some point.
Dd1 actually likes school a lot, just not the pettiness and silliness that seems to go with it.
Ds1, on the other hand, dislikes school...

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julienoshoes · 06/05/2008 14:38

Ah okay.
So you will be able to tell them of the things you have been doing, in writing.
It might still be worth considering what your educational philosophy is, in case your daughter changes her mind, once she tries out the senior school, or if you do decide to home ed your younger children.
How old are they?

Would it be worth joining the Early Years HE support list?

Many home educators are looking at ways to earn around home educating. I'm sure others will be able to offer advice there-and maybe here.

I have done direct selling around home educating, by working in the evenings.
I itched to go back to nursing though and now do care work-our youngest is a teenager, I have changed and go out to work early in the mornings, getting back before she even wakes up, most days!

I do this through an agency, so that i tell them when I can work and can have time off to go to all the camps and gatherings

Other people will have ideas/solutions.

TooTicky · 06/05/2008 18:28

Thank you, that is very helpful
I'm doing a lot of thinking around the whole thing. Have considered, at the least, taking ds1 out of school from September - we'll see. I think dp would be unsupportive though and, for various reasons, it may not happen.
Quite hard to let go of this local school altogether, regardless of other issues, as there are some wonderful people there who give dcs something I can't necessarily.
Plus I think HE with not great support would be stressful for everybody conccerned.
Tricky stuff!!!

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