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When all the HE is over...what next?

27 replies

Mung · 30/03/2008 22:08

I'm interested in HE. Up until 3 weeks ago, I had never really considered any other option than school for my DCs (both under school age). I come from a family of teachers and I used to teach at secondary level myself. To me, it was always what 'you had to do' and there was no other option.

I realise that I still have a lot of research to do on the topic before I make the final decision and launch into it, but I have 2 main concerns and here is one of them:

How does the 'World of Work' perceive people who have been educated at home? I truly understand the benefits of HE, but is it all totally wasted if the young person cannot get a job and follow their chosen path at the end of it? Do companies just turn their nose up at the gap in the CV where it says nothing for the schools they attended, or do they focus on the grades and the interests the person has?

TIA

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Fillyjonk · 30/03/2008 22:14

I don't think they much care, tbh.

Its the kind of thing that would only really affect a school leaver, I suspect

I can see how it might be an issue if a child didn't have the same qualifications as their competitors and was applying for a job where that really mattered

It doesn't seem to much matter on entrance to university.

As a graduate, I don't think any employer has cared at all where I went to school. Not sufficient reason not to HE IMO!

Mung · 30/03/2008 22:22

Thanks fillyjonk. It just seems that the 'education' part of application forms really takes up a lot of space and is therefore quite important.
I suppose I should try and contact some people who do a bit of hiring and firing and see what they think.

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Fillyjonk · 30/03/2008 22:30

I think thats a great idea

I do know a fair few kids who have grown up and gone out to work though

I actually can't think of ANY HE'd kids who are on the dole. I mean, I'm sure they are out there, but I don't know them.

Also-there doesn't have to be a gap there. You can put homeschooled.

The gap is not for the schools, is it? its for qualifications gained at school. No reason why HE'd kids can't get those, and thats where they put them.

Mung · 30/03/2008 22:37

You are right about the section being for qualifications.

There must be loads of people out there who were home schooled, I just have never met anyone myself and its such a new concept for me. Its interesting that you know people who have gone out to work after HE.

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Fillyjonk · 30/03/2008 22:44

have you been to local groups?

HErs are generally very happy to talk about their experiences, IME

TooTicky · 30/03/2008 22:45

Hello Filly

Fillyjonk · 30/03/2008 22:54

hello

how went the thing?

TooTicky · 30/03/2008 22:55

Thing?

Julienoshoes · 30/03/2008 22:59

My eldest two are now at work.
Eldest return to college post 16 and settled well academically and socially. Did well at A levels. Never had a problem getting a job.

Middle child went for a recruitment weekend in Jan for a well known national organisation.
On the application form, where it asks for educational history she wrote "Home educated by parental choice, in a self directed way"
Where it asked for life/educational experience, she wrote about the firm she worked for that were developing mobile internet sites, the small retail outlet that she ran on her own for 20 hours a week, helping to run workshops for women who are victims of domestic violence, being involved with a dyslexia charity and co-chairing the launch with a recognised dyslexia expert from the States, and sailing round the country for two long summers, with another HE family helping to crew the boat and look after their children.
She had references to back up all of this from people who were very happy to supply them.
It seemed to make her stand out from the crowd and she got the job she wanted.
Her new boss has told me that no less than 5 managers from that recruitement weekend indpendantly recommended her!

Ds too had different experiences from the 'norm' on his CV and it seems to have helped.

I guess there are bound to be employers who would disagree I suppose, but so far so good-and it seems to be the experience of the other home ed teens and young people we know (and we know hoards of them)
Our young people are happy and enjoying their lives and saving for their next step in lives. One plans to go to Uni, the other to do her competant crew sailing course.

I know of one young lady who works for the BBC-she was employed in a similar way to my children-and is now deemed to be about 4 years ahead of her degree educated peers, with her (very exciting) career.

As Fillyjonk has indicated, more and more Unis are pleased to be getting applications from HE young people, some with conventional qualifications and some who have skipped GCSEs/A levels and have used the OU route instead.
One friend of ours was 'invited to apply' to a couple of Unis after going for their open days. She was half way through a OU science course. She has now nearly finished her paedicatric nursing degree.

We know another who is doing Law at Oxford after going straight to an OU course first.

One mom here on MN has children who have achieved scholarships for public schools as teens and there is another mumsnetter whose son is the youngest person ever to be doing his PhD in Medical Research-and that was after a completely child led, autonomous education.

For my children and their many friends home education has been fabulously successful (note that my son had been predicated by the school, to get GCSEs grade D if he worked very, very hard, because of his dyslexia.)

In our children's opinion and ours, home education was/is the very best choice we could have made for them.

Julienoshoes · 30/03/2008 23:03

Oops sorry that was meant to read

'there is another mumsnetter whose son is the youngest person ever to be doing his PhD -at his University. He is doing it in Medical Research'

TooTicky · 30/03/2008 23:04

I'm sorry, it was very rude of me to hijack like that without even commenting.
I think it would be a very narrow-minded person who deliberately avoided employing somebody who had been HE, and I shouldn't imagine it wouyld happen very often.

TooTicky · 30/03/2008 23:06

Because HE, when done well, encompasses so much more than the average school education.
I HE my dd1 atm and I am crap, but despite this she is flourishing.

Mung · 30/03/2008 23:07

Wow Julienoshoes, thanks for taking the time to give me all that information.

Fillyjonk - I am going to contact the local group and find out more.

Thanks again.

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Fillyjonk · 30/03/2008 23:07

um

being sick thing

funfair

Julienoshoes · 30/03/2008 23:08

There is a book on this subject;
Those Unschooled Minds: Home-educated Children Grow Up (The Educational Heretics series)
by Julie Webb

and Mike Fortune-Wood of the Home Education UK website is doing research on this subject.
I think I have read somewhere he will be publishing this summer.

TooTicky · 30/03/2008 23:08

Oh yeah . No unsuitable foods purchased, no sick, but it was wet and freezing and at least two of us cried.

Mung · 30/03/2008 23:12

What makes someone crap or not TooTicky?

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TooTicky · 30/03/2008 23:15

Um, for me... not having enough space in my brain to be doing everything I am doing properly. Not being an inspiring person. Feeling guilty about having dd1 out of school but not her brothers, and being hampered by that guilt.

Mung · 30/03/2008 23:17

Sounds complicated TooTicky.

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TooTicky · 30/03/2008 23:20

I think it didn't help that the HE idea was sort of sprung upon us by circumstances, and that dd1 is a natural school-lover

TeenyTinyTorya · 30/03/2008 23:31

From my family's experience, all exclusively home-educated - I am a qualified nursery nurse and am now working as a professionally trained actor and studying part time for an Open Uni degree when I have a minute - never going to school hasn't affected my career opportunities at all.

My 18 yr old brother was the youngest person in Scotland to get an HND, and he has never passed a formal exam in his life. I did A-Levels through open learning, but he was never interested in that. He is now half-way to being a qualified audio engineer.

My other siblings are not yet at the career stage, but I'm sure that they will have no problems associated with never going to school. I think employers rarely care about your school, they tend to look at qualifications and experience.

Mung · 31/03/2008 09:10

Thanks for that TeenyTinyTorya. Its great to hear some first hand experiences.

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branflake81 · 31/03/2008 12:18

Just out of interest TeenyTinyTorya, are you or do you plan to HE your own children?

pooter · 31/03/2008 12:28

Hey mung! Didnt know you were interested in He ing - i have loads of inspirational books you can borrow if you want. the more i read the more excited i get about it.2

Hope to see you soon!

Mung · 31/03/2008 16:02

Hi Pooter . I would love to borrow some of your books. I have just ordered the one mentioned above by Julienoshoes and I am looking forward to finding out some more. I am still not entirely convinced, but I realise now that school is not the only option and I am keen to find out more. Do you have any contacts with the local HE group? I know your DS is still a little young!

We will have to meet up again.

Its ironic that it was whilst attending an Governors course a few weeks ago that I suddenly realised that I feel that schools are letting our children down.

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