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Im doing my ED Phil and need to know about religon?

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discoverlife · 21/02/2008 18:41

Like what do I put in. We are totally aethiest, and don't believe that religon has any place in 'school'. In fact when Ds2 was in school, he came home regularly terrified that he wouldn't get into heavan because of a minor demeanor.
We are teaching Autonomously.

How can I make out he has a rounded PHSE without telling them that I don't advocate teaching unproved superstitious twaddle.

Sorry to those who are religous but I am entitled to my opinion the same as you and if this thread turns into a religous thread I will leave you to it.

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emmaagain · 21/02/2008 18:51

I wouldn't put anything in about religion at all. If it WAS a big part of your life, then you'd probably put it in, but I'd just leave it out entirely, in the same way that it probably won't occur to you to say that you are not intending to encourage your child to listen to Shirley Bassey on a daily basis - it's just not relevant to your educational philosophy

ducks for cover as Discoverlife explains that Shirley Bassey has long been a passion for her

you could say something about "introducing him to different religious, cultural and moral traditions" making it clear that it's comparative not believing.

Califrau · 21/02/2008 18:53

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Saturn74 · 21/02/2008 18:57

When we were assessed by the LEA curriculum advisor, we told him that we were looking at festivals and ceremonies as the basis for covering world faiths, as this format worked well for us.

You don't need to advocate any specific religion in order to learn about it.

We do have religious beliefs as a family, but it doesn't stop us discussing alternative faiths, or covering atheism and agnosticism.

You also don't need to justify your atheism to anyone, least of all the LEA!

sushistar · 21/02/2008 18:59

Can't you talk about ethics? That kind of covers the ground but without the 'religion' - although I agree comparative religion approach would also be good?

discoverlife · 21/02/2008 19:07

I am thinking of something along the lines of we will teach him, about all religons equally when he shows any interest.

But you say we can leave the whole subject of religon out if we want? DH is certain that if we don't put something placatory and that conforms in they will say it is not a complete, rounded education.

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SueBaroo · 21/02/2008 19:12

um, ok, no need to get defensive

As far as I'm aware the LA don't get to make comment about the 'breadth of content' iyswim. You're free to include as little or as much as you want. If you're not going to to cover it at all I see no reason why you shouldn't be perfectly upfront about that. It's your EdPhil. Brainstorm it and go with what you get.

discoverlife · 21/02/2008 19:15

Thanks everyone, its a relief, as I didn't actually want to lie in my Ed Phil. I will just leave it out.
Its been great to actually get things down on paper, and it comes to a lordly 3 1/4 sides of A4.

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Julienoshoes · 21/02/2008 19:15

We home educate and are totally autonomous-I have just looked at our ed phil and it doesn't mention religion at all.

It isn't relevant to us either-so there is no need to include it.

Remember the education you are providing needs to be suitable and efficient

The Governments home ed guidelines for LAs state;
2.3 An ?efficient? and
?suitable? education is not defined in the Education Act 1996 but ?efficient? has been
broadly described in case law1 as an education that ?achieves that which it sets out to
achieve?, and a ?suitable? education is one that ?primarily equips a child for life within the
community of which he is a member, rather than the way of life in the country as a whole,
as long as it does not foreclose the child?s options in later years to adopt some other form of
life if he wishes to do so?.

and that's it.
It doesn't say anything about having to cover religion.
I am sure as you are autonomous, if the children asked questions you would look to find answers about different cultures etc-that is what we have done, but only when they have asked or it has been relevant to something they are doing-for example when one of my step daughters had a Sunni Muslim boyfriend from Iraq, suddenly the children were very interested in the whole Iraq situation and and in Islam too.

But it didn't appear in our ed phil-I think I mentioned in the brief written report that we send with it, that we had looked at politics and religion of Iraq.

discoverlife · 21/02/2008 19:17

ducks for cover as Discoverlife explains that Shirley Bassey has long been a passion for her
If you had said Meatloaf, I might be throwing thinking different.

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needmorecoffee · 21/02/2008 19:19

I imagine you teach him about other beliefs and cultures in day to day life. He must see muslim women in headscarves and veil or Sikhs in turbans or churches.
Just talking about them 'covers' religion.

discoverlife · 21/02/2008 19:20

Could I e-mail you the ed-phil Julienoshoes to give it a once over. There are a couple of digs at the schooling he has received and would like to know if I should keep them in.

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SueBaroo · 21/02/2008 19:20

3 1/4 sides of A4? I am muchly impressed. Ours is in the form of our 'family dreams' document, which is all the stuff we want to be and do. Sounds tremendously poncey, but it's only one paltry sheet of A4

discoverlife · 21/02/2008 19:22

Needmorecoffee Well actually yes, even though we are in the deepest darkest rural hereford and I have'nt seen anybody without white skin locally, well ever, in fact, we regularly go to the local car auctions and last time we were there we tried to figure out how many languages were being spoken.

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discoverlife · 21/02/2008 19:23

SueBaroo Lots of Bullet Points.

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Julienoshoes · 21/02/2008 19:26

Yes of course you can.

discoverlife · 21/02/2008 19:43

Do I send it via the Worcester home educators web site?

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terramum · 21/02/2008 20:21

discoverlife you might find this passage from the Human Rights Act useful:

?In the exercise of any functions which it assumes in relation to education and to teaching, the State shall respect the right of parents to ensure such education and teaching in conformity with their own religions and philosophical convictions.? (Human Rights Act 1998 (Ch. 42) Schedule 1, Part II, Article 2)

Julienoshoes · 21/02/2008 20:37

"Do I send it via the Worcester home educators web site?"

yes that will reach me, if you haven't got my email addy.

discoverlife · 21/02/2008 20:40

No e-mail address. I will send it for attention of Julienoshoes. I hope that it won't raise any eyebrows?

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Mehetabel · 22/02/2008 10:13

Here is our ed phil that we sent in 7 years ago - it has kept our LA quiet as we haven't had any contact since :D We kept it reasonably brief - I do think you have to be careful not to spell out too much what you are planning to do as they can come back and hold you to it, whereas your style may have evolved away from that subject etc, so keep it more describing what you are doing rather than what you plan to do.

Our Educational Philosophy

As our approach to M.'s education is largely opportunity based, child
centred and flexible, it is not possible to submit a timetable, or to
specify in advance the activities we will be undertaking.

We strive to keep a balance between child centred and directed learning. On
the whole we aim to facilitate learning through M's interests rather than
to
contrive situations in order to reach pre-determined outcomes. However we
are always on the look out for any gap that may arise and we make the
necessary adjustments to ensure that such gaps are filled. We usually tend
to look at topics in the form of a theme or project, usually taken from
some
interest expressed by M. These topics can last anywhere from a few hours up
to months depending upon the amount of interest and variety of activities
we
can link in to the theme. We find that we can start off by looking at one
topic and move on to several linked topics very quickly.

In addition to actual activities and projects much time is spent in
preparation and consolidation of work done. Discussion plays a great part
in
our approach.

Our highest priority is to instil a love of learning and a desire and
confidence to find out for herself. Our approach is a holistic one: we are
concerned with the development of the whole person. M is always encouraged
to take part in decisions regarding her education and her own future. She
is
also encouraged to use her own initiative and to make her own judgements.

M. has almost unlimited access to PC, Internet, telephone, television,
video, radio, audio equipment, and a huge variety of craft materials and
equipment. We have an extensive library of appropriate literature, computer
software etc.

Whilst we can isolate some aspects of the various subjects, many of our
activities, projects etc. cover a wide range of subjects. We tend to look
upon M's education as a whole rather than dividing her knowledge into
subject headings.

As an example, M.'s current interest in dinosaurs includes elements of
Maths, Science, C.D.T., History, Geography, English, Archaeology, Natural
History, etc. M has had experience of finding fossils, taking rubbings from
fossils and looking at books about dinosaurs and prehistory. She has
discussed evolution, measured out the lengths of dinosaurs, counted
dinosaurs, cooked dinosaur biscuits, made models in paper, clay, papier
mache, visited the National Stone Centre, watched several videos and many
other activities under the general umbrella of "Dinosaur".

Similarly we recently had a project of "growing things", where M saw how
plants and animals grow and develop. Some of the activities we included
were
growing cress on a plate in the shape of her initials, these were later
eaten in a salad. Sprouting mung beans which were then included in a meal
made to celebrate Chinese New Year which we ate with chopsticks. Wearing
Chinese clothes, this led on to drawing dragons, making dragon masks,
learning how to say Happy New year in Chinese and making lucky red
envelopes
for the traditional Chinese new year gift of money, which the children then
took to a local school fair to spend.

We grew potatoes in a bucket, then harvested them and made some into oven
crisps and did potato prints with the rest. We watched carrot tops grow and
made them into a jungle plate garden. A primula was chosen from a local
garden centre and brought home to feature in a still life drawing. M made a
cress head by decorating a yoghurt pot with a face and growing cress in it
for hair. M has her own patch in the garden where she chose to plant some
flower seeds and tended them until they bloomed. We regularly visit local
farms and animal centres. We were lucky enough to watch a chicken hatching
out of an egg, which fitted in very well with our theme.

We regularly go for walks in the woods to look for flowers and wildlife and
have discussed the changes over the seasons. We made a huge flower mural
covering the wall in our hall. We made flower bracelets out of felt. We
made
flowers out of hot beads, tissue, clay, paper, etc. We read book after book
on related topics. We grew nasturtiums and eaten the horn off the flower in
salads. We harvested fruit from our own garden and from pick-your-own farms
and made juice and pies with it.

Accompanying all these activities was conversation and the appropriate
weighing, measuring, recording etc. Most of these activities were
undertaken
in the company of other children. M regularly attends home-education group
meetings as well as meeting friends on a daily basis.

One of our main aims is to fit M for life in the real world. We encourage
basic skills such as reading and writing, use of computer and calculator,
house and garden maintenance, personal safety, self discipline, respect and
care for others, for animals, for the immediate community and environment
and for the world as a whole.

We consider that M is learning all her waking hours and we strive to
provide
a fertile learning environment at all hours of the day.

This is just intended as an illustration of the variety and breadth of
activities we undertake, all of which is accompanied by hours of
discussions
ranging far and wide. We do not follow a curriculum and our studies are
subject to change without notice, however we have found from our previous
experience with our son that children are very good at learning all that
they need to know if trusted to do so.

discoverlife · 22/02/2008 10:31

I really like that one, it gets across the flexibily of Autonomous without detracting from the actual 'subjects' covered. It also makes it sound as if you are settled in your provision. Im afraid I still feel as if we are floundering. Mind you we have to sort out his 'seeing' problems first. He is as far as we can diagnose 'Dyspraxic' and say's that he can't read because its too 'busy' and that sometimes the letters wriggle. So I need to try out some solutions like coloured films or having a slot cut out of some card to block off most of the page.Or try to find an optician that can do the colour testing for him and get him some reading glasses.

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