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absmum · 13/09/2007 15:36

I withdrew my daughter from school in July she would be year 9 now. I have elected for home education and have followed all the correct procedures. I have been told I will have 3 months to get going then the LEA will be coming round to visit and check that we are actually teaching her. I have a visit from an Education Welfare Officer coming tomorrow pm. Does anyone know what this will involve? It sounds serious, am I just panicking for no reason?

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Julienoshoes · 13/09/2007 16:20

Firstly don't panic!
Where abouts in the country are you?
Are you in touch with any one from your local group? They may be able to help by indicating what the LA is like round your neck of the woods.
You don't actually have to have a visit if you don't want one.

In section 7 of the Education Act 1996 it says;
"The parent of every child of compulsory school age shall cause him to
receive efficient full-time education suitable ;
a) to his age, ability, and aptitude, and
b) to any special educational needs he may have,
either by regular attendance at school or otherwise."

As parents are responsible for ensuring that their children are properly educated, it is their decision whether to use schools or provide education at home.

It is important to note that the duty to secure education is stated entirely in section 7 and nowhere else.

Provided the child is not a registered pupil at a school, the parent is bound by no other constraints. In particular, there is no obligation

to seek permission to educate 'otherwise';
to take the initiative in informing the LEA;
to have regular contact with the LEA;
to have premises equipped to any particular standard;
to have any specific qualifications;
to cover the same syllabus as any school;
to adopt the National Curriculum;
to make detailed plans in advance;
to observe school hours, days or terms;
to have a fixed timetable;
to give formal lessons;
to reproduce school type peer group socialisation;
to match school, age-specific standards.

The wording of the Education Act 1996 requires the LEA to act only if something comes to its attention which gives it reason to suppose a breach of a parent's section 7 duty. It does not need to investigate any instances of home education which come to its attention unaccompanied by any grounds for suspicion that an adequate education is not taking place.

However your LA has decided to ask for information on your educational provision. The choice of how to provide that information is yours. You do not have to have a home visit at all. In nearly seven years of home educating, we have never suffered a home visit and the LA have never seen any of the children's work.

LEAs should bear in mind when considering the replies to such informal enquiries (and other more formal ones, should the matter go that far) that parents taken to court for failing to comply with a School Attendance Order only have to show the court that they are providing a suitable education on a balance of probabilities. That is the test that LEAs must also apply. Also a court will receive any evidence a parent produces, it will not have to be in any specified form and it will be sufficient so long as it shows that a suitable education is being given. Similarly an LEA has no power to require that information be given to it in a specified form or way.

The DfES acknowledges this in their information leaflet entitled,

"ENGLAND AND WALES EDUCATING CHILDREN AT HOME":

"3. LEAs, however, have no automatic right of access to the parent's home. Parents may refuse a meeting in the home, if they can offer an alternative way of demonstrating that they are providing a suitable education, for example, through showing examples of work and agreeing to a meeting at another venue."

Another "example" might be information provided in written form, sufficiently comprehensive to establish competence and intention.

That is what we have chosen to do-send in a written report along with our 'educational philosophy'.

There is more information about this on the website that I have quoted above.
www.home-education.org.uk/menu1.htm look in the legal section.
And also at www.education-otherwise.org/
There is also a page about "Home Visits and why we might refuse them" and an article about "Educational Philosophies" to be found on the first site amongst the articles there www.home-education.org.uk/articles.htm

You may of course choose to have a home visit and get it over and done with-many parents do-but bear in mind the points above about what you do not have to do and decide how you wish to have the visit go.

You can choose whether or not to have your daughter present and whether or not to show the EWO any work.
If you don't yet have a lot written down, you can point out that you have followed the school holidays and only just started back-and that two weeks is not long enough for them to comment on-and you can also quote Lord Slade in the Perry case when he said that the LA should first allow
"the parents a sufficient time to set in motion their arrangements for home education,"

(R v Gwent County Council Court of Appeal (Civil Division) 10 July 1985 JUDGEMENT BY-1: SLADE LJ)

So you could ring them up and tell them it is not convieninet to have a home visist tomorrow if you want to. You could ask for it to be delayed as you are still settling in-or you could tell them as I did "Thank you for the offer of a home visit but I would prefer to provide the information about the education I am providing in an alternative form and will be sending you a written report by.....date... instead."

Does that help at all or have I just confused you further?

TheodoresMummy · 13/09/2007 22:14

julienoshoes - do you know any more about the perry case that you have quoted ?

I have done a bit of googling, but to no avail....

Julienoshoes · 15/09/2007 05:33

I'm trying to find out more-what I do know comes from the home-education.org.uk/ pages.

absmum-how did things go?
Did you have the visist from the EWO?

TheodoresMummy · 15/09/2007 17:24

I have googled more, but can't find anything else.

I just wondered because i think my parents went to the court of appeal when they took my brother and I out of school.

We were in Gwent and our family name is Perry.

Not sure of the date, but certainly around that time.

TheodoresMummy · 15/09/2007 17:44

Mystery over !!

Have just spoken to my Dad and it is their case !!

newlifenewname · 15/09/2007 17:46

You don't have to let them visit or inspect but once you do they can keep on coming...

fillyjonk · 15/09/2007 19:14

lol nlnw

isn't that baliffs?

once they have entered your house...they can ALWAYS get back in...even if you lock the doors...

fillyjonk · 15/09/2007 19:28

but seriously, I don't think that they do gain right of entry or anything . That IS just baliffs!

I have had only minimal dealing with my local EWO, but I DO know how LAs work, for it was my job to make them do things, they didn't want to , like give people money. And IME, if you have an intimidating council official, the key things are

  1. Know the law. In fact, have it in front of you. There is NOTHING wrong with having with you a shiny folder of legal material even during face to face meetings-I always did, and if they are decently prepared, they might too.

  2. Know what you want/what you plan to do/etc (subject to (1) ) and be prepared to keep repeating it. Don't back down. Don't ask for things, tell them what you are doing.

  3. If a conversation gets hairy, or you feel intimidated, tell them that you are no longer able to talk (DON'T get emotional) and ask them for a list of questions, preferably in writing. Respond promptly,
    and put a bit of effort into this. Council officials (everyone really) appreciate decent spelling/grammar and accurate use of words. Simple is better, don't over-reach yourself. Don't write in green ink.

  4. In the few situations where the council wanted to interview a client of mine, I asked for questions in advance. At the VERY least, I phoned up and asked them what they were likely to want to know.

And remember, its all a judgement call here. They have NO legal right to come to visit, but tactically it might be wise.

  1. If you recieve shoddy service or similar, complain. And keep complaining.
newlifenewname · 15/09/2007 19:54

~Hi filly!

I am serious! Apparently - according to some EO doc - if you say no they can't make you but once you agree to checks they can make repeat ones. Honestly!

fillyjonk · 16/09/2007 07:48

nlnn-have searched the EO site, can you link to the docs?

I am a bit if this is true, I really would be [shock[ if an EWO had right of entry.

I expect they can apply to the courts and so forth for one, like anyone else, but am a bit if they have an automatic right of re-entry.

juuule · 16/09/2007 09:01

Afaik they don't have right of entry. I think what has been said is that if you agree to a first visit then it is more difficult to refuse any further requests (I'm not quite sure why). It's something about them using the acceptance of the first visit as a lever for further visits. Maybe something to do with follow-ups of previous visits. But they don't have an automatic right.

Saturn74 · 17/09/2007 09:09

We had the initial EWO visit, then one from the curriculum adviser.

The EWO was not exactly helpful, and she didn't have any relevant knowledge of the Education Act relating to Home Education, She stayed about 30 minutes, and was clearly keen to just tick the boxes on her form, and leave.

The curriculum adviser was lovely, and very helpful. He spent a couple of hours with us, whilst the children chatted about what they were learning, where we had been etc.

This adviser has now retired (this is event is not related to visiting us - at least I don't think so! ), and we saw no point in meeting with his replacement, and going over old ground.

For the past two years we have declined their offer of visits, and instead we email them with our Educational Philosophy document, plus details of resources, visits, etc.

I know other families who meet with the LEA rep at the local library, or cafe. Some allow their children to attend the meeting, others prefer to meet the rep alone.

And others who have never accepted a visit in the first place.

AFAIK, there is no automatic right of entry to your home, irrespective of whether they have visited in the past.

SueW · 17/09/2007 09:22

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This has been withdrawn by MNHQ at OP's request.

absmum · 18/09/2007 19:48

Hi All. The EWO visit was fine, only lasted about 30mins and really it was to just ask why we withdrew our daughter from school. They did have a form to tick the boxes and I think we ticked the right ones!
Someone will come and visit in a couple of months to check that we are educating, but that was my choice as I would find it easier for them to come and see all our hard work than the other options.
Thank you for all your comments, I am in Southampton. One question they asked did make me laugh though "Do you have access to paper and pens?" I was so tempted to say no, we have a slate and chalk!!!!!

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Saturn74 · 19/09/2007 09:15

Or lumps of stone and a chisel!

Glad it all went well.

Julienoshoes · 19/09/2007 09:35

Hello absmum
Glad it went well.
I think it is great that folks choose to have a home visit, when that is what they prefer-and many do.
I am passionate though, as you probably gatheredthat parents know it is their choice, as very many LA's do not tell them this at all.

LucindaCarlisle · 17/08/2010 12:10

bump

sandy2806 · 15/11/2010 14:23

Hi, I have just joined the group and have had interesting reading. My daughter is absent from school a lot over the past 3 years due to illness and her education is now suffering. The EWO (use to be LEA), school nurse and the mental health team are involved as my 10 - soon to be 11 year old daughter has emotional needs. Is there any reason anyone can think of why I wouldn't be able to take her out of school and teach her at home? As that is the route I'm seriously taking but I don't want the school putting obstacles in the way and want to be one step ahead of them - for a change. Thanks

sandy2806 · 15/11/2010 14:25

Also, and even though she was ill on Friday due to taking phenergan to help her sleep, the headmistress had the nerve to turn up at my front door with a staff member demanding to see my daughter and asked where she was. When I said in bed as she had been sick and thought that was the best place for her, then the headmistress said that she shouldn't be sleeping too late (bearing in mind it was about 10.30am and she was ill). Surely if she was on the sofa with the tv on and laptop that would have been wrong too? Has the headmistress got a right to come to my house?

julienoshoes · 15/11/2010 17:07

Hello Sandy
There should be no reason for you not to home educate.

If she is in a main stream school, then you can send in a letter to deregister and the school will not be able to put any obstacles in your way.
I do think though that you will have the LA on your tail quite quickly as that Headmistress is likely to pass on the info very quickly.

I would strongly suggest that you join the email support list on the Home Education Special Needs site.
I know there are people on there who have experience in dealing with Mental Health teams, and are very experienced in home educating children who have a lot of illness.

hth

Dinky3973 · 11/01/2018 10:55

Is it normal for an education welfare officer to visit when your child is off sick and without notice or appointment

Saracen · 12/01/2018 10:00

Hi Dinky' is your child registered at school? If so, you might prefer to post on one of the other boards for more traffic. This home edition board is for families whose children don't go to school.

If a child has been deregistered from school for home education, no one should come knocking on the door without an appointment.

Dinky3973 · 19/01/2018 10:30

Can an EWO visit your home without an appointment when your child is off sick. Mine has been here twice recently and it’s beginning to feel like being stalked

Dinky3973 · 19/01/2018 10:31

Great thanks sorry I’m new at this

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