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Seacucumber · 31/07/2014 14:02

We are seriously considering home educating our 6YO DD. This is mainly because we feel it would really suit her and her learning style and although she is not terribly unhappy at school, there are lots of little things stacking up that makes us wonder if we are being foolish by not giving it a go.

I have been trying to get my head around it all, and find it very exciting but daunting in some respects. I was hoping that if I try and voice what is making me uncomfortable, then someone with more experience could help, so here goes-

  • I think we would want to be as autonomous as possible, using her own interests as a starting point. However, how do I keep track of what skills she is covering and what hasn't been covered? What resources can be used for this? I don't really want to follow a curriculum as such, but equally- i doubt DD is going to come to me and ask to learn about compound sentences for example. If she were to choose to go back to school I would want her to be within a fairly range of the children in her year. I realise this doesn't sound particularly autonomous, but hopefully someone gets what I mean?

-Those who are completely autonomous- how does learning to read/handwriting/multiplication (for example) happen? Just curious and excited to hear how it works...

Please put my mind at rest, as I want to be totally comfortable with the idea before we embark on it...

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morethanpotatoprints · 31/07/2014 16:05

Hello OP

I can only speak for ourselves but I find it quite easy to keep track, most of the time.
We use the workbooks fromSmiths and other stationers, plus resources from tes. They don't always tell you what section or sub section each page relates to inb the curriculum but they do cover the nc, iyswim.
I invested in the study book for each subject, but I haven't needed them all as in most subjects dd just did her own thing.
In this case if it corresponded with a particular part of the curriculum I just crossed it off.
I'm afraid with times tables, we used a structured approach but reading and writing are completely autonomous.
At first dd didn't want to reador write after leaving school atthe end of y3, but now at 10 she is reading for pleasure and reads a book a day usually.
I hope this helps a bit, but keep posting your questions as there are lots of experienced H.edders on here.

AMumInScotland · 31/07/2014 16:13

When it comes to things like reading etc, I think what happens is that the motivation to want to be able to do those things is autonomous - the child realises that it would be more convenient to be able to read the book rather than hand it to parent to read out - and then the parent finds ways to facilitate that desire. Which might actually be not that different from how it would be done in school, with phonics and/or with gradually more difficult books and other materials. Or might be different, depending on the child.

morethanpotatoprints · 31/07/2014 16:57

Totally agree AMum

With dd it was a case of finding the type of things she wanted to read.
I bought the books, she ignored them. She chose books at the library and ignored them.
Ater this she read Pippy Longstocking and this was the turning point.
Then came the full seies of The Famous Five, she couldn't wait to get to the end and start another one.
Now its anthing that catches her eye and I'm unable to afford them all now. We are so fortunate to have an excellent well stocked library quite close to us. Grin
I worried constantly about the core subjects, and still have wobblies now.
I know though that this is me and that dd will be fine and is learning all the time.
It has taken 2 years to get to this point though, and I think with something as important as your dc edcation you do worry whether they are at school or not.
I think the main points to emphasise are trial and error are important andnormal as is finding your own way to do things.
This will invariably be different than how others do things, but if it works it is just as valid an approach.

Saracen · 31/07/2014 21:43

how do I keep track of what skills she is covering and what hasn't been covered? What resources can be used for this?
I don't really think you need to keep track in a formal way. You only have one child to keep track of, unlike a teacher. And you know her well. (Maybe you don't yet know her all that well in an educational sense now, because much of her education has taken place away from you, but you will soon!) Once you've been HE for a year, if you cast your eye over a list of targets and topics, you will be able to say pretty accurately which of those things your child understands and which would be alien to her.

i doubt DD is going to come to me and ask to learn about compound sentences for example.
You'd be surprised. My teenager recently asked me to name all the parts of speech and describe their uses, and she made a chart with examples which she put up on her wall. And this is not an "academic" child. She was just curious. We didn't spend more than a couple of hours on it in total, but I think she understands it as well as the average schoolchild. However, it's highly unlikely that the timing of her interest would coincide exactly with the age the topic is taught at school. So you have to take a long-term view.

If she were to choose to go back to school I would want her to be within a fairly range of the children in her year.
You cannot guarantee that with an autonomous approach. It's usual for a child to be "ahead" in some areas and "behind" in others, because they won't happen to take an interest in topics at precisely the same age the National Curriculum dictates. BUT it is not that hard to get them up to speed rapidly in the areas where they need to catch up, provided that you have a bit of warning. I know a number of parents whose kids were autonomously educated through primary but who then went to secondary school. They just started doing some work in the required areas in Y6.

I personally feel that there is a critical difference between 1) an autonomously educated child who is "behind" her schooled peers in, say, formal maths and 2) a schoolchild who is "behind". The former is only "behind" because she hasn't yet bothered to tackle the subject. She knows she'll be able to do it when she applies herself to it. The latter has years of maths experience under her belt. It is an experience of failure, shame and being forced to do battle with something she dislikes.

People who worry about their child falling "behind" are picturing the latter child, never having encountered the former. Like all children, autonomously educated kids vary. Some children will find certain things harder than other children will. But there's no need to fear these natural variations, because they start from a position of strength and confidence.

Those who are completely autonomous- how does learning to read/handwriting/multiplication (for example) happen? Just curious and excited to hear how it works...
It starts with curiosity, or a need to acquire the skill in order to accomplish something else the child wants to do. It very often starts considerably later than it would be taught at school, but when the child does get his teeth into it he goes at it with enthusiasm and great efficiency, so that the "late" start doesn't matter.

Have you ever watched a child who has been told he has to pick up all the sticks and leaves that have fallen into the garden and put them into the compost? It's hard going, for the parent and the child. It takes ages. Now watch the same child with his friends, rapidly collecting branches and dragging them into a pile because they want to make a den, chattering excitedly all the while. It's fast. No one has to keep him "on task". That's the difference.

morethanpotatoprints · 31/07/2014 21:55

Saracen

I would so love to meet you sometime.
you always talk such sense and have the right answer.

OP there are several really knowledgeable people on H.ed topics.

Saracen is one and look out for Ommmward.
They sure know their shit. Grin

Of course there are others too

Saracen · 31/07/2014 22:54

Blush Aw thanks morethan! I bet you'd find me dull in real life: I'd be staring vacantly out the window trying to think of just the right thing to say to somebody on mumsnet Grin

Seacucumber · 31/07/2014 23:09

Thank you- you all speak very wisely and it is inspiring to read what you have to say. I really hope that assuming we give this a go, I can do as good a job as you. It's a really daunting thought. I know DD would get so much from it. I am excited by the thought- but I must admit I also feel panicky at the thought of cutting the ties with school. I realise this is my problem to overcome and is probably partly why I am stressing about the school/levels aspect.

Another question- those with older children, what options are there for gaining qualifications?

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DaveMccave · 01/08/2014 00:52

Hi, I have a daughter who turned 7 in June. I took her out of school in January. She didn't dislike it, but she was bumbling along (she was in the bottom set for everything) and I just have a general suspicion and dislike of the school system and my circumstances changed so I was able to try home-ed when it wasn't an option previously. The biggest help for me was implementing 'deschooling'.

They say to take at least a month for every year your child has been in school. If you are going to be doing autonomous learning, probably nothing will change after this period, but allow this period for you not to worry about what she is or isn't learning. Don't do any structured work or anything. At the end of the de-schooling period, write down everything that you have noticed your child has learned. That should be enough to keep you going without worrying about comparing. A child who is not in school doesn't need to learn things at the same pace as school children, they may learn more quickly or more slowly, but because they are learning at an appropriate pace for them they are more likely to consolidate it or want to find out more.

When my daughter left school in January, she used to read her school reading books (Biff Chip and Kipper) well, but with absolutely no enthusiasm, and never read anything that wasn't one of those books at all, even if I begged her to just try a simple picture book we had at home. 7 months later and after absolutely no formal reading practise, (just lots of library trips and a chance for her to be bored in her room with books around) she has the reading age of a 9.5 year old. She reads for pleasure now and it's amazing to watch, and even more amazing that she's done that without being forced. In spite of in fact.

She's not really interested in maths, I've offered a few different maths programmes but I'm not going to force her. The basics will come when she realises she needs it, so I will continue to offer activities like baking/shopping where she can discover that need. Unless she desperately wants to be something that requires maths qualifications, I see absolutely no point in forcing it on her against her will, and making her hate it as I did.

Saracen · 01/08/2014 12:07

There may be an additional reason not to push maths on young children. I am fascinated by psychologist Peter Gray's description of a century-old experiment. At several schools in a deprived area, no maths whatsoever was taught. The superintendent of the school district tried this because, he said, "For some years I had noted that the effect of the early introduction of arithmetic had been to dull and almost chloroform the child's reasoning facilities."

When the children were eleven, their performance was compared with their peers in neighbouring, richer areas. As you might predict, the children who had done no maths did perform worse on rote computation compared with their peers who had been doing arithmetic for the previous six years. However, they performed much BETTER on tests of mathematical reasoning not requiring advanced computational skills.

But what about computation, weren't they at a disadvantage? They were now taught traditional arithmetic. After just a single year, their calculation skills had caught up with those of their traditionally-educated peers. And their reasoning was still far superior.

This tantalising study suggests that the early introduction of formal arithmetic is unnecessary and may even be harmful to children's mathematical understanding.

www.psychologytoday.com/blog/freedom-learn/201003/when-less-is-more-the-case-teaching-less-math-in-school

I didn't know about this when I decided to delay teaching my younger daughter formal maths. I just sensed that the time wasn't right for her. She has learning difficulties including particular delays in nonverbal reasoning. At four and five years old, she didn't really grasp the concept of numbers above three. I imagine if she'd been in a school classroom they would have been encouraging her to learn "number bonds" when she didn't really have enough practical experience yet of the meaning of the numbers she was meant to be adding, or of what addition meant. I think this would have demoralised and confused her, and could actually damage the development of her mathematical skills in the long term.

Now she is eight and is getting on really well. She now appears to really understand what numbers are and how to apply them to the world around her. She takes an interest and will ask me, "What's five and three?" when she hears that a five-year-old friend has a brother three years older than he is. On hearing the answer she exclaims, "Her brother is the same age as me!" True, she cannot yet get the answer for herself, but that will come. And she has no notion that she "can't do maths" as so many underperforming schoolchildren do.

morethanpotatoprints · 01/08/2014 15:50

Hello Seacucumber

We aren't at this stage yet, but to answer your question.
Therer are several ways of dc gaining qualifications either GCSE igcse A levels or vocational BTECs etc.

First of all some colleges are now accepting H.ed dc onto their 14-16 courses. The ones that were traditionally one or two days away from school per week.
They can also learn at home with help from yourself/tutor and then attend a centre to take the exams. I have found some people can struggle to find a centre as the responsibility would be with you, as would the cost, but it isn't difficult for some.
The only negative I have heard about this is that the dc may be limited by subject as some include a controlled assessment that of course would need to be done in a school.
I think igcse are more flexible and I know of Cambridge who do the online igcse, although there are more companies.
I think when the time comes you will find what suits you best and also what the child wishes to do in the future.
Many universities will not be bothered by the lack of 10 GCSE's if the person has other quals and the usual 5 gcse or equiv that they ask for.
As the goal posts are always moving though I wouldn't worry about it too much. I suppose if the worst came to worst and therewere no other alternatives the dc could attend schooljust to complete GCSEs

morethanpotatoprints · 01/08/2014 16:00

Sea

just read your ties with school bit.

There is no need to cut ties, honestly. The main reason other people do is when there have been issues and that is completely understandable.
If you have no problem I would advise keeping contact with school and any friends your dd has made.
My dd picks up a friend every week and we see her old teachers and they are really interested in what dd is doing. We go to concerts and church festivals that the dc take part in.
Obviously it would be wise to make sure you don't go if your dc is having a wobbly time, but really good if they want to see their friends.
Two years into H.ed dd still misses some aspects of school,although not enough to make her want to go back.
I think it can be harder for them to settle if there was no huge negative or awful situation in school.
If this helps my dd left in order to have more time to do the one thing she lives for, her music Grin It had got to the stage where she was missing so much school she was better H.ed. Of course the way things are now, she wouldn't be allowed if still in school.

Saracen · 01/08/2014 16:12

"what options are there for gaining qualifications?"

Lots of options, as morethanpotatoprints says. As your daughter is only six years old now, I would wait at least six years before giving it any serious thought. The possibilities for HE kids may be totally different by then, and for that matter who can even guess what qualifications will be usual for kids at school?

Assuming you are still HEing then, you can be very well connected online and/or in person with other parents who will be chatting constantly about this subject, so you'll absorb all of the necessary information in good time.

If it worries you, you could have the simple fallback plan of sending your dd to school at 14 to do qualifications there. I'm sure you'll find a way forward which will work for your daughter, quite likely without the need for school, but I always find it reassuring to have an easy fallback plan!

Hertsmum44 · 17/08/2014 22:07

I've stumbled across this thread and it's so insightful! My little girl is the youngest of my four children and I can relate to much of what is being discussed here. Although I have three older kids who have gone/are currently going through school I just don't feel my daughter, who's now six, is really getting any thing from it. She never seems to be enthusiastic about going and I honestly believe the learning she's had so far has been largely from the effort we've made with her at home. I'm seriously considering home educating her but other than reading and workbooks I'm not convinced I can actually do it well enough to compensate for taking her out of 'formal' schooling. Suppose I'm just after some advice from other parents that have felt like me but have made a success :) Grateful for any and all replies! Thanks in advance x

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