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School phobia?

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Exhaustedmum78 · 02/11/2011 08:23

I'm rattling this off as quick as I can while the baby is asleep so forgive any typos!
My DD is nearly 11 and in year 6. She just switched schools this year as we moved. We've moved from a pretty run-down area to a very nice, semi-rural village, and she loves the new house and loves being in the country. She was very unhappy in her old school and hardly ever went tbh, she was always faking illnesses or making herself sick to get a day off. She didn't really have any friends there. We were hoping she would get on better in her lovely new school, which is very nice, very small and everyone seems friendly, but she hasn't settled in well at all, and she is crying every morning not to go.
The thing is, she is quite an introverted child. She's very passionate about the things she likes, and she can behave a bit... I don't want to say odd, because that sounds mean, but she is her own little person, if that makes sense. My DS1, who is nearly 15, has Asperger's and I wonder if perhaps Louie is on the spectrum because she displays quite similar behaviours. I love her very much and I'm very proud of how intelligent she is, but she just doesn't fit in with other kids. She goes to music lessons every week which she loves, and she has some friends there because they're all deeply into their music, but outside of that she is very much an outsider. We try to do things like Brownies and pony club, and she will try it but she will stand in the corner and not say a word. She's like a fish out of water when it comes to interacting with other kids.
Last night she was cryng again not to be sent to school and I just can't cope with how unhappy she is. She says she doesn't like school, it's that simple.
I don't really know what to do.
If a child is making themselves sick not to go to school, would you say that was a school phobia? Does that really exist?

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Exhaustedmum78 · 02/11/2011 08:24

I'll be back at lunchtime to read any replies. T.I.A

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ommmward · 02/11/2011 14:40

Yes, some children are so ill-suited for the institution of school that they develop a very very strong aversion to it.

I don't like calling it a phobia. Being scared of spiders in the UK is a phobia. It's not really rational because UK spiders won't hurt you. But being very wary of spiders in Australia is extremely wise. Nothing phobic about that, and no-one is going to try to force you to handle spiders on a daily basis if you live in Perth, Australia.

If she hates school and you don't have to be at work all day, then why would you make her go? She'll probably blossom and flourish once you get her out.

Prolesworth · 02/11/2011 14:45

I agree with ommmward. I don't think the word phobia is appropriate: it sounds like your DD has an aversion to school which is in all likelihood entirely rational.

Are you in a position to HE?

Exhaustedmum78 · 02/11/2011 19:34

Yes, I'm at home full-time with my 1 year old. I have a degree in English so I could probably help her out there, but we would need to get a tutor in for maths and science as I am barely able to add!
I'm having conversations with myself about this, trying to play Devil's Advocate. If she has an aversion to school, will HEing her make her worse? What if she grows up and has an aversion to college, or going to work, I couldn't keep her at home for that. But she obviously doesn't 'fit' with school and other kids. Her dad (my ex) says I am mollying her, but he's not the one who has to take her to school crying every morning. He finds it hard to understand as he is very outgoing and sociable, whereas I myself am pretty introvert (I just enjoy my own company!). I feel like I have handed this awkwardness down to her. Sorry, just rambling now, but she is very unhappy and I am very stressed and just don't know what to do for the best.

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Prolesworth · 02/11/2011 20:08

I understand your concerns, but when in adult life will DD be in a situation comparable to compulsory schooling? Only if she decided to join the armed forces maybe? An aversion to school now doesn't mean she won't be able to cope with non-compulsory college and work later imho. It may be that she'll never enjoy being in a large insitutional, regimented environment, but there are plenty of other working/learning environments she could be perfectly happy with.

Have you discussed the idea of HE with DD and asked her what she thinks about it?

From all you've said she sounds bright and self-motivated and as ommm said, she could well blossom if she just had the flexibility that HE could provide. She might even decide she wants to go back into schooling later.

It might be an idea for you to have a chat with parents who are HEing to talk about your concerns. I can totally understand your feeling apprehensive about it, but HE is much more accepted nowadays than it used to be. You could check out Education Otherwise for information and advice too - they might be able to put you in touch with some HEing families?

PS there's nowt wrong with being an introvert! :)

Exhaustedmum78 · 03/11/2011 07:58

Dd and I talked about HE again yesterday. We have discussed it quite a few times in the past and she would like it, but her father has vetoed it. Now that we have moved away from him I don't feel quite so much that I need his permission but DD is still worried about his reaction. Like I said, he is very sociable and I think he feels that HEing her would be admitting she is unable to fit in with other kids.
Also she doesn't open up to him like she does with me so he doesn't hear how unhappy she is. He has said he thinks she is just lazy and is manipulating me so she can stay in bed all day.
I don't think there's anything wrong with being an introvert, like I said I am more happy when I'm on my own, with just my kids and my pets, but I have been accused of "brainwashing" DD into being like me!!!!
I do feel that HEing is the way to go for her. I think it's the barrage of criticism I am going to face from the rest of the family ("you're being soft on her") is what's stopping me. I have to grow a backbone quick.
Since when is making your unhappy child happy being soft? Isn't that my job? I hate this attitude that she has to toughen up. She's a ten year old girl FFS, not a soldier.
thanks everyone for your replies

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FionaJNicholson · 03/11/2011 08:09

It's not working to try and plead with people to see it from your point of view or your daughter's point of view.

So how about changing tack and announcing briskly that you are going to home ed for her last year of Junior School in order to work on areas of confidence and self-esteem which means she will better be able to manage the transition to secondary. (Because madness is doing the same thing and expecting different results)

Incidentally, is she depressed/anxious about everything changing in her life (moving house, sharing you with baby, parents splitting up?)

Also - with respect - I don't see how you can be "barely able to add" if you are a graduate. Even if you went to a really rubbish school...

I have address of single parent support list if you are interested.

Prolesworth · 03/11/2011 10:13

"he thinks she is just lazy and is manipulating me so she can stay in bed all day"

He sounds like a right charmer! Confused Angry

You know what's best for DD better than him or the other critics. Surround yourself with supportive people (and as far as possible avoid those who undermine you).

Good idea from Fiona about putting a spin on your decision to deflect unwarranted criticism before it even starts.

Exhaustedmum78 · 03/11/2011 13:24

Well, I didn't send her to school today. I will drop a letter round to the school tonight asking for her name to be taken off the register. I have got such a bloody stress headache from morning after morning trying to convince her that it's not that bad.
Her dad and I split up ten years ago, so all she's ever known is me and her step-dad. He is alright really, he just thinks HE is not normal and he wants everything to be normal. I'm pretty sure she is okay with the move as we were living in a really horrible area, and now we are out in the country and she can go riding all the time, which she loves. No, this school thing has been going on for years. She hated nursery, hated infants and in the last school term only had about 60% attendance as she was faking illnesses to not go. I think if I don't pull her out and just carrying on letting her bunk off I will end up in court. Anyway, I have two tutors coming to see her next week for maths and history, and we are thinking up lots of fun things we can do for other subjects. Just gotta break it to Dad somehow... eek. I will attempt to be brisk!

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Prolesworth · 03/11/2011 13:37

Good on you EM!

FionaJNicholson · 03/11/2011 15:02

re introverts and autists

www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/1567.Temple_Grandin

?What would happen if the autism gene was eliminated from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and socializing and not getting anything done.?
― Temple Grandin, The Way I See It: A Personal Look at Autism and Asperger's

highlanddancer · 04/11/2011 15:02

Sorry i hope you do not mind me butting it,your daughter sounds like me 30 years ago (i am now 38) i had what i believe to be school phobia,i just could not cope with being in a class with 30 other kids,my greatest wish to this day is that my mother had known about home ed,but i suppose it was not heard of back then,nothing could get me to school,i was so nervous and anxious every day,eventually truant officers came to the door(just thought i was being lazy)then i was sent to the childrens panel(how scary was that for an 8 year old and her mum)not one of them even suggested home learning until i got over my nervousness,eventually after about 3 years(after going to school on and off)they decided the best course of action would be to take me from my mum and place me with (community carers)who drove me every day to the one place i didnt want to go to,any way to cut a long story short,i am now 38 i have a 10 year old boy who i home ed,it is the best thing i have ever done,sorry for the rambling i just want to say get your daughter out off school,home educate her and have the time of your life.

Toffeefudgecake · 08/11/2011 11:32

EM - you sound as if you are in a very similar situation to mine this time last year. My DS had struggled with school on and off (a lot of sickness, just like your DD), but in Year 6 he became seriously depressed. He didn't get on with his teacher and was being bullied by his peers, so every school day was awful. I decided to deregister him, but the school suggested they kept him on their register so that he could go back if he wanted. Our GP signed him off sick and we started home education. We had several really happy months. It was absolutely the right thing to do.

DS did his SATs six months later (we chose to do them - you certainly don't have to put your DD through them if you don't want to) and, amazingly to me, had gone up a level in English, Maths and Science (from Level 3 at school to Level 4 in the SATs). I was astonished because I didn't feel I was doing enough. But, of course, DS was getting one-to-one attention every day. He played BBC Bitesize on his computer and we went through some workbooks together. And we talked and just had a really happy time together.

You say your other child has Asperger's and you wonder if your DD has too. I presume you have had her assessed and she doesn't reach the diagnostic criteria? Would it be possible to seek another opinion? I say this because it may be that she needs help at school that she isn't getting. In my son's case, I asked for a third opinion (he had twice been assessed for AS without getting a diagnosis) and we finally saw a psychiatrist, who diagnosed him (as we had long suspected) with Tourettes and OCD. He is now on a low dose of Prozac and is having CBT to help with his OCD, which is far more troubling than the Tourettes. The Prozac has taken the edge off his anxiety, which was crippling for him even when he was at home all the time.

In September, my son started at secondary school. He had numerous visits to the new school first, with an Education Outreach Worker who was responsible for reintegrating him into school. He is in a small class with teachers who understand his difficulties and never mind if he needs to leave the class to calm himself down. He loves the lessons, which he finds far more interesting than those at his primary school, and he is thriving socially. He loves his newfound independence and his confidence is growing daily.

Year 6 is a good year to miss because it is usually just spent revising for the SATs. It is very boring and difficult for many of the children. Missing that year gave both my son and me a useful breathing space to reassess what we should do next.

Try not to worry about what other people say. I pointed out to my critics that DS was receiving one-to-one education and, luckily for me, when he achieved good SATs results that proved my point and shut them up. I know people in the family criticised me for "pandering" to DS and said I should just force him to go to school, but they really didn't understand how serious the situation was. People are always so full of opinions about things they don't know anything about, aren't they?

Best of luck. It sounds as if you are doing the right thing for your daughter.

Toffeefudgecake · 08/11/2011 11:34

Highland - have just read your post - that is so sad. I'm so glad that you are able to do things differently with your own child.

pookie99 · 15/11/2011 20:16

hi i felt it should respond to your story about your daughter, my son has school phobia and it has been awful for months, i finally took him out of school a week ago and I have to say I have already seen a huge improvement in him, all the doctors/teachers etc have said its the worst thing i could do and going against them was really hard and scary! BUT you know as a mother what is the best thing for your childs welfare, home ed was the best thing for us and I hope this has helped.

ommmward · 15/11/2011 21:13

Oh, GOOD for you Pookie. And respect to you for going against the "received wisdom"

Saracen · 16/11/2011 16:55

That's fantastic, Pookie! I'm really glad to hear that your son is happier and things are looking positive for you!!

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