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Has anyone out there HE without trying school first?

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Misfitless · 26/02/2011 07:54

If so please could you give me a brief outline of your family eg how many children you have, how you manage to juggle housework with learning. How do you ensure that your children are learning enough, the necessary thing and in enough depth?

I think HE is brilliant but just don't see how it can all be fitted in?

Also do HE children go on to take GCSEs ususally?

I;m fascinated yet very ignorant about the whole subject.

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SDeuchars · 26/02/2011 10:02

We EHEd from the start. I have two children (now 16 and almost 19). One attended a UK primary for 12 weeks at 9-10yo and the other has never been to school.

how you manage to juggle housework with learning.
Mostly I've only done necessary housework - my house is very untidy but clothes get washed (when needed - no chenging everything on a daily basis) and food gets cooked. Children help with that - it is part of their learning and from very small they helped at the level they were able. While they are at the stage of it taking three times longer if they help than if they don't, it doesn't matter. You don't have anyone else's schedule to keep so it can take as long as it takes. Last week when we had a bunch of people here, my 16yo DS walked through, remembered he had not taken down the laundry and did so - to the surprise of the several mothers.

How do you ensure that your children are learning enough, the necessary thing and in enough depth?
There is no enough or necessary or enough depth except as defined by you and your children. When they are very small, as long as you can see that they are learning (anything) then there is no need to worry. At 6, my DS was word-perfect in Walking with Dinosaurs but did not read at all.

We have not followed any sort of structured curriculum (although some EHEers do) but both my DC learned to read (one at 2ish and the other at 8ish) and can do arithmetic. As teenagers they started doing courses with the OU and have passed all their courses (usually quite well). Both play an instrument and speak a foreign language.

I think HE is brilliant but just don't see how it can all be fitted in?
You fit it into all the time that you're not servicing a school. Grin Also, EHE is extremely efficient - if a child is ready to learn something it happens much faster. You don't have to go over it umpteen times in order to get 30 children on the same page. You don't have to wait for people to be quiet, line up, get out equipment, etc.

Also do HE children go on to take GCSEs ususally?
It depends what they want to do. You can find out more at the EHE exams wiki. My DC did OU instead and my DD is now at university. Some go school at 14 or college at 16 to get a minimum of GCSEs and then move on to A-levels.

TheSydenhamSet · 26/02/2011 10:11

I have a friend, Alice who has been home educating for the past year or so. She has 3dc 5 and under. She blogs about what they get up to and is an interesting and inspiring read.
www.ifnotschool.blogspot.com

ommmward · 26/02/2011 19:14

"how you manage to juggle housework with learning."

Ahahahahahaha

Housework is not all that important to me. I tend to clear the decks before we go to bed, enough that I don't fall over anything if I need to go to the bathroom in the night anyway.

My OH is really good at cleaning kitchen and bathroom. I run a hoover around the other rooms once a month or so.

" How do you ensure that your children are learning enough, the necessary thing and in enough depth?"

How does anyone ensure that anyone else is learning the right stuff? THey can't. People are not buckets. You cannot pour knowledge into them. You just run with what they are interested in, whether it looks academic or (more likely) not. Just in time education is the best kind of education there is, and schools are rubbish at it.

"I think HE is brilliant but just don't see how it can all be fitted in?"

All what? It's just like a continuation of having pre-schoolers really - it's no more difficult to live around and with children than it is when they are little.

"Also do HE children go on to take GCSEs ususally?"

Some do. Some don't. Those who don't often go straight onto A level or straight onto OU courses, or into vocational training. It's quite common for people to take the Maths and English ones that job applications often ask for. But that whole school-y GCSE model is really weird educationally, really.

itsstillgood · 26/02/2011 20:12

how many children you have?
2 aged 5 and nearly 9

how you manage to juggle housework with learning
Same way as you do when you have toddlers. Most home eders have cluttered houses - masses of books, half finished craft projects and bizarre 'potions' masquerading as science experiments.

Because home ed is so much more efficient even those of us who are fairly structured don't do 9-3. We do '9-12' roughly so as an early riser I do a bit of housework first thing. Also we're a team, they help. 5 yo is king of the hoover in our house.

How do you ensure that your children are learning enough, the necessary thing and in enough depth?
This is actually one of the main reasons why we HE because we believe that schools don't teach the right things in enough depth.
In relation to the National Curriculum, we don't follow it although I like to make sure that they at least keep pace Maths and English wise as you never know what may happen, they may want or need to go to school at some point. Everything else tends to be covered in themes so I don't see the point.
We do this by using educational websites.

Also do HE children go on to take GCSEs usually?
Some do some don't. Locally we have a good set up with structured group classes and two established exam centres so a lot do.

A lot of home eders keep blogs it is worth looking at few.
Here's a link to the early years blog ring

I'd rather not put a link to mine on here but if you are interested pm me and I'll send it over.

Saracen · 27/02/2011 08:26

how many children you have?

Two, aged 11.5 and 4.5. The older one went to school for one term at the age of nine: schooltourist.blogspot.com/

how you manage to juggle housework with learning

As everyone else says, same as when they were small. Only as they get older it gets easier because they require less entertaning, make less mess (usually!), and can help with the housework properly. My older daughter does nearly all of the supermarket shopping, pays some of the bills online, and does most of the washing. She loves DIY because it's always a new challenge and she gets more gratitude and respect from tiling the bathroom than from tidying up! If she were at school all day I'd hesitate to ask that of her, and in fact when she was at school most of her housework duties were suspended. But as it stands, she has very large amounts of leisure time and I see no reason why she shouldn't spend an hour or two a day helping out.

How do you ensure that your children are learning enough, the necessary thing and in enough depth?

"Falling behind" is a worry at school, where everyone else carries on relentlessly, regardless of whether a particular child is ready to progress. Certain things must be covered in order to prepare the child for the standard curriculum next year, or at the next school. Without one-to-one attention, the child may not grasp a key idea. And anyway, he may not be interested, which makes it all harder.

It's a different story outside of school, where none of that applies. Because HE is so much more efficient than school-based learning, there's lots and lots and lots of time. And there are no deadlines. Suppose you (or your child) suddenly realise when she's ten that she doesn't understand the bar chart printed in the newspaper and that that would be a useful skill for her to have. You just teach her then. Or she decides she wants to be a vet, and has never done any biology. She just starts learning biology. It really doesn't matter that she does it intensively at the age of ten rather than a bit at a time starting at seven.

And what if they reach the age of sixteen without having learned something important? People who are accustomed to thinking that learning always happens at school worry about this. Everyone else knows that if you reach adulthood lacking some vital skill or knowledge, you learn it as an adult.

I'll trot out an example I've given before. My dh, a roofing carpenter, decided at the age of 32 that trigonometry would help him in his job. He sat with a book and very little help from me and mastered everything he needed to know in just a few weeks. Now, I'd spent an entire year on trig at school. Most of my classmates didn't like it, and I'm sure that a few years later they'd forgotten everything they'd learned. My dh was interested and actually used what he'd learned every week, so he still knows it twenty years later. I think he's unusual, in that he survived the school system without losing confidence in his ability to learn elsewhere. The other guys on the building site admire his ability to work out the angles, but very few of them take him up on his offer to show them how to do it. "No thanks. I never was any good at maths," they say. From being left behind at school they have absorbed the crippling idea that you only get one chance to learn.

Also do HE children go on to take GCSEs usually?

I don't know about "usually." Many of our friends do but many don't, and it doesn't seem to hold them back. I'm not bothered whether my daughter does them or not. I think she'd probably prefer Open University.

FlamingOBingo · 27/02/2011 16:25

a brief outline of your family

four children 7.5, 6, 4 and 2

how you manage to juggle housework with learning

Not quite sure! Do the bare minimum, get mum to help, have a husband who behaves like a decent human being and shares it with me

How do you ensure that your children are learning enough, the necessary thing and in enough depth?

Read as much as possible about natural learning/informal learning/autonomous learning/unschooling and then have confidence that your children will learn waht they need to and when they need help, they'll ask for it. It's schooling that teaches children that they can't learn without a trained teacher's help - they're not born unable to learn, otherwise they wouldn't learn to speak or walk.

I think HE is brilliant but just don't see how it can all be fitted in?

How do you fit it all in now? Don't you just answer questions? Read stories? Play games? Visit places?

Also do HE children go on to take GCSEs ususally?

Don't know, but I don't expect mine will unless they have a burning desire to do so - I imagine they'll go straight onto A-Levels or a Diploma, or just do the GCSEs they need to get to that point.

I;m fascinated yet very ignorant about the whole subject.

We all were once Smile. I remember telling a friend we would HE but no way would we be doing that weird 'radical unschooling' that some families do! Now we're doing exactly that and my chidlren are happy, confident, curious, fascinated and fascinating and know absolutely loads!

Misfitless · 28/02/2011 11:22

Oh it sounds so wonderful what you are all doing. I am green with envy.

I have 4 DCs 14 (loves school and can't wait to get out of the door) 5.5yrs (likes school, especially the social aspect of it), 3.5 years 14 months.

I'm not going to do it, and if it's ok I'll just lurk on your threads and get ideas for fun and educational things to do at home.

Mine are extremely happy and settled at school so I think it would be wrong of me to take them out, but I really admire anyone who home eds and I can see that it's a much better option for so many children.

I love the school where my 5.5 year old is and I think if I hadn't got him a place in that school I would have considered it.

Still, I'm sure that all your DCs are probably getting a better education than any child who goes to a mainstream school.

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Leenypies · 28/02/2011 15:44

Really heartened by your optimistic posts about home schooling. I am a qualified secondary teacher just dropped out of my first job and really sceptical about the British education system, and scared of putting my child into a politically correct system that seems to cater too much for the least able.

We want to move from London to Hampshire in the next year or so and are told that, even though our son doesn't have to (legally) go to school until September 2013, we have to apply by January 2012, which I think is absurd! So I'm thinking of home schooling until we are actually ready to move house (we're not yet) and I can get him a place in a school I really think is right for him. Or continue home schooling if it went well!

My family would think I was bonkers home schooling, feeling I was depriving my DS of the social aspects of school, and I am very interested to hear how you ensure your DCs get this when schooled at home. My DS currently attends nursery, loves it and gets his social fix there, and I don't want to deprive him of it!! Are there, for example, generally enough home-edders in your area that you and your DCs get together for frequent socialising/play etc? Any tips appreciated!

itsstillgood · 28/02/2011 16:03

There are loads of us in Hampshire! Socialising not a problem, more the opposite problem of the tendency to sign up to do too much.
I dropped out of teacher training for pretty much similar reason to you.
Find your local home education list on yahoo and see what is on locally, most groups cater for under 5's.
If you are unsure join the Early Years list and ask on there for signpost to a local list. My understanding is that there is lots on in London for Home eders so sure you won't find socialising a problem.

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