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Biggest frustration when buying a kitchen

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doodle5 · 06/07/2018 14:27

Hey all, I am a designer and have just left my job of 10 years to design and fit kitchens. As I have never needed to purchase a kitchen myself from a supplier, I just wanted to put myself in my potential clients shoes.

It would be so great to hear what stressed you out the most about either looking for a supplier, or dealing with them during the process?

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4yearsnosleep · 06/07/2018 21:21

2 things:

One. I asked for an island that could be granite in one piece and the design was too big

Two. I gave a very strict budget and the quote came in nearly 50% over. Know you client and don't over egg your pudding Grin

Good luck

JennyWren · 07/07/2018 09:40

Know your product. Not just what it looks like and what it is made of, but actually what fitting a kitchen is like in reality.

And linked with that: once you’ve made the sale, remember that it is how you deal with the problems that dictate how you will be remembered and whether you’ll be recommended.

Our kitchen is being fitted now, by our builder. It is going to be fabulous but it isn’t going smoothly in terms of the units, which are being supplied by an independent designer/sales person. We would have been unreasonable to expect that nothing would go awry at any stage at all, but the expensive solid wood painted doors have been a nightmare. The quality has been so variable and because we won’t accept any that aren’t good, we’re currently waiting for our fourth delivery to try to get a complete set. There have also been problems with some of the units, in some cases. But in combination, it is causing a lot of extra work for the fitter, it is delaying the project and it is not being helped by the kitchen supplier’s lack of understanding of the practical impact of things not being right.

It isn’t the fault of the sales guy - he’s not producing the shoddy work himself, and he can only give us what is delivered to him. But he is very defensive in every conversation and it is just so wearing. He veers between “this has never happened before” and “this is just how they come” and he’s had to learn fast that I don’t care how many doors that company make each year, I’m only interested in one kitchen - mine.

I shouldn’t knock him, as despite the fact that he obviously thinks I’m a nightmare client, he is changing them again and again until we get what we want. But he’s not coming across well to the builder as he is struggling to understand the brief and despite advertising as offering bespoke options he’s not translating the brief into the actual order because he doesn’t really appreciate the details.

If you are designing and fitting yourself this shouldn’t be an issue for you. But I keep holding back from saying to our supplier: when your client tells you who they are, listen. We explained that this kitchen is our kitchen for life. It has been years in the planning and I knew what I wanted down to which size Tupperware had to fit in which drawer. So fobbing me off with inconsistently painted doors was never going to fly, and I was never going to say ‘oh never mind’ when two units with internal drawers that we’d discussed the positioning of and you’d taken measurements for came in all wrong. And that while my builder is being brilliant about making what alterations he can, that goodwill only goes so far.

JennyWren · 07/07/2018 09:48

Sorry - that turned into a rant. I didn’t mean to suggest that you don’t understand how to fit a kitchen. But please do bear in mind that if you’re fitting a kitchen for a homeowner their expectations will be high in a way that a developer probably won’t care so much. For us, it is personal, and if we’re coming to you rather than going to B&Q it is for a reason.

didireallysaythat · 07/07/2018 18:57

If you tell the designer you don't want a wine for fridge, please don't come up with a design that has two.

I know I said I didn't want one, and I didn't explicitly say I didn't want more than one, but I told you we don't drink wine so you could, you know, apply some common sense...

MissCherryCakeyBun · 08/07/2018 18:29

You need the ability to listen, so so often we have told kitchen, bathroom and built in wardrobe designers what we want and what we don't want and they just don't listen. I like islands OR breckfast bars but not both in 1 kitchen Hmm I agree on wine fridges and also on floor level ovens as I have a disability I need a mid level, I don't have, want or need a microwave so please don't put one in my kitchen I do however have a large Kenwood that sits out as it gets used a lot and I need somewhere with plugs it can be used. And don't get me started on built in coffee makers and plumbed in fridges.

I think listening is a very underrated skill and if used would make these processes so much easier.

Would you be able to have a sheet that you go though with new customers listing what they do and don't need storage for, use of etc ? Also encourage mood board use to get colour schemes arc and styles ?

witwootoodleoo · 09/07/2018 08:06

Under promise and over deliver when it comes to timings. If you promise me things will arrive on a certain date I will plan accordingly as will my builders. If it turns up late this will cause havoc and have big knock on effects for the wider project. I will hate you and no matter how great the final kitchen this is what I'll remember about you and mention to everyone that asks if I would recommend you.

doodle5 · 10/07/2018 09:52

Thank you so much for your responses. These are so incredibly helpful.

@JennyWren, I hope your kitchen is getting there. It sounds like a bit of a nightmare. This is one of the reasons why I am keen on making sure we install also, so that we see the whole project through. But it is a great point that you make about the kitchen being your forever kitchen.

@didireallysaythat @MissCherryCakeyBun
I completely agree with the listening. I have been designing for 10 years and that is one of the things my customers say they have experienced, is not being listened to. In my experience it tends to be more common with people who take a more ‘salesy’ approach. When I have trained any new designers in my previous job, this was the one skill that I said was the most important. Even then, I could see some would not take it on board. I think people are so used to listening to respond, rather than listening to understand.
Also great ideas with the moodboards and creating a tick list sheet. You mentioned that you have a disability, did you find any restrictions when purchasing your kitchen?

@witwoodtoodleoo Great advice, very well put.

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MissCherryCakeyBun · 10/07/2018 10:46

Hi @doodle5 I think the biggest issue with most kitchen design and disability is access tbh. I'm lucky in that I have a weak left side and weak right arm ( broken neck in the past) and because of this for safety reasons I need a mid leve oven so I can take things from an oven and put them on a counter. In my new kitchen we are having an island/butchers block on wheels so I can lift from oven to that then move that. I want a spiffy new kitchen that looks exactly like everyone else's but with the adaptations I need. I am sure all disabled people are likely to be the same it needs to work for you and still look lovely. Many people with similar issues to me need the following and it would be splendid if they could be incorporated without the kitchen looking like it should be in a Dr Seuss book
Perching stool ( and somewhere for this to be out the way)
Easy to operate but still stylish taps
Ovens and microwaves at sensible heights
Taps on the sides of sinks not at the back ( it can be very hard to fill a kettle if you can't lean over a sink with a full kettle COD it's to heavy)
Doors that open the correct way for you access issues ( I went for months with only one arm I could use and I just struggled everyday as the doors opened the wrong way given I only had a left hand)
Draw storage of pans, tins ( food and baking) mugs etc is invaluable if you can't stand up. And lastly actual access space around the kitchen, if you or family members use a 'chair you need that space to move
Most important of all? Make sure you speak to the organ grinder not the monkey......so many people have the does she take sugar attitude without even realising it, find out who will use the kitchen and ask them what they would like, don't assume that because someone has a disability they won't cook etc.
Thank you so so much for asking and sorry if this came across as a rant Blush

minipie · 11/07/2018 21:21

(My comments apply specifically to bespoke painted wood kitchens)

More focus on practical layouts and storage and less focus on the beauty of your cabinetry.

At the end of the day it won't make much difference to my life if I have mdf units vs birch ply, or if the drawers are beautifully veneered inside. It will make a big difference if I have nowhere to put my mugs or if there's miles between my dishwasher and crockery storage.

Also stop with the focus on handpainting, be honest it chips terribly, if you don't offer a very good spray paint option I will look elsewhere.

Slightly different: Please make it clear whether you are true bespoke (ie no standard designs, everything designed from scratch), or semi bespoke (standard designs but any size and lots of specialist options and tweaks available). The latter often call themselves bespoke but aren't really as you find out when you ask for something a bit tricky (Harvey Jones I'm looking at you).

falaffels · 11/07/2018 21:29

Don't tell us the problems without a solution.

I (now) have a bespoke kitchen that I love but the design process was a nightmare as I kept opening emails that told me "we can't do X", with no solution offered. Often when the thing causing the problem was something they'd suggested!

I had to do a lot of the thinking, which worked out OK in the end as the kitchen is exactly what I want and very personal to me. But it's not what I thought I was paying professionals for!

TJEckleburg · 11/07/2018 21:37

Reiterating the point that many of us care more about a kitchen that works rated than one that looks good.
I love my kitchen. It was 10 years in the planning and I had a practically unlimited budget, but I went for ridiculously cheap units as they worked for me.

Also consider cleaning . I knew after having old, awful kitchen that I didn’t want pillars and shaker doors and a false range around the rayburn as every horizontal surface is a grease trap

rose69 · 12/07/2018 08:36

It may be worth reading previous threads on what has gone wrong with kitchens ie Wrens. Our sales person was lovely whilst selling but ultimately didn't deliver on their promises because they refused to deal with their sub-contractors who supplied the work surfaces which had to be re-cut several times.

Linguaphile · 14/07/2018 09:28

We chose our kitchen company because they were the ones who figured out how to give us our top priority items within our budget vs dismissing out of hand with ‘oh you can’t afford that’. There were some things we had in our initial design that we hadn’t realized were so expensive, and the designer we hired in the end was able to distill what was important to keep and what we were happy to do without. I was also really put off by the arrogance of some kitchen designers who wanted to use my kitchen to put something new and fresh in their portfolio instead of listening to my desire for simplicity and practicality.

doodle5 · 16/07/2018 13:58

Thank you all so much for your insights, this has been so helpful.

@MissCherryCakeyBun Your comments were really interesting. The reason for my question was that I am really interested in looking at this area of the market. I haven't yet had a chance to begin research, but I suspected that there may be less choice for users with a disability, and did wonder if there was a concern that the kitchen would look like it has been designed for specific access, usability needs, rather than looking look a great kitchen first... that also fulfills all the needs. Thanks a bunch for your comments x

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