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Japan and Korea with teens.

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DaleTrimont · 19/04/2022 12:25

We haven’t had a foreign holiday for years, partly pandemic, partly for climate reasons we try not to fly. However the teenagers are getting older and we would love to do something really special now.
I have wanted to visit Japan for decades, and the dds would love to visit Korea. Anyone live in Korea ? We are mostly vegetarian and I am coeliac so that worries me slightly, ( trying to navigate gluten free in another country) two of us do eat fish sometimes which might be easier ?
One of the girls is mad about Kpop and would like to see a city, both would love to see rural Japan as would Dh and I.
I suppose my questions are 1. Is this going to cost an absolute fortune ?

  1. Is being coeliac going to be a huge problem ?
3. Anything important to know about cultural norms etc ? Teenage daughters, will be 15 and 17 .
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EileenGC · 19/04/2022 12:46

I’m a (strict) vegetarian and have travelled to Japan for work before.

Maintaining a strict veggie diet there is difficult. Not impossible, but difficult. I’ve spent time both in Tokyo and in smaller cities in Japan and the former has dedicated veggie restaurants, but they’re harder to find in the latter. Rurally it’s probably even harder. When you go to eat at traditional restaurants it’s very hard to explain the term ‘no fish’ to the kitchen. I had Japanese colleagues with me every time we went out and they spoke to the chef or waiter in Japanese, but my food still came covered in fish flakes, the soups were never free of fish stock, etc. It’s simply their way of cooking and it’s very hard to ask for something that’s not easily understood as a concept.

There was always some variety of rice bowl with egg and veggies, tempura, and 7-up’s and other corner shops and supermarkets have veggie foods. There are a few types of onigiri and sticky bean sticks etc, delicious. But in general I had to lay the strictness off and accept that some food would contain fish - if I wanted to eat at local places and not be limited to the same dish every day for 3 weeks. I could’ve gone to McDonald’s and Italian restaurants, but I wasn’t in Japan to eat burgers and pizza.

I had coeliac colleagues and it was hard for them but also not impossible. It depends a bit how strict you need to be with cross-contamination. One particular colleague was fine as long as no gluten was ingested so stuck to dishes without wheat noodles, another had prepared a list of safe restaurants from online guides and blogs, because she could only eat from a freely gluten-free kitchen.

Korea I believe is still similar (haven’t been recently) but with beef/chicken instead of fish everywhere. If you’re in Seoul or other major cities, there won’t be many issues. You just can’t be that spontaneous and walk into any traditional restaurant you like the look of.

All that said, I wouldn’t let the diet restrictions put you off what is an incredible part of the world. Do your research thoroughly, decide how traditional you want to eat and how flexible you want or can afford to be with your diets, and GO. There will be food, it might be a bit complex finding it but it’s worth it. The food is delicious and I’ve never come back from Asia hungry.

Cost - it can be expensive but there are ways of minimising this. Look at flying indirect instead of direct. Summer will be hot and humid - my favourite time is autumn - but it depends on how flexible you can be with school holidays. Look at flying via Amsterdam / Paris / Frankfurt / Helsinki or the Middle East. Look at multi-city fares and play around on Google flights or skyscanner a bit to see if you should be a return in and out of different countries plus Japan-Korea single fares, or three tickets linked together…

I can’t comment on internal transport costs as that’s always been covered for me, but public transportation is highly efficient.

Cultural norms I’d read on before you go but there isn’t really anything you need to change in your behaviour. Make sure you don’t eat or snack on the street, that’s the main one for me. It’s a very different culture and you might be surprised by some of it but as long as you’re respectful and attentive to people and local customs, just as you’d be in Europe, you’ll be fine.

I haven’t been to Japan since 2019 and I miss it so much, it’s wonderful. I hope you can take this trip and enjoy it as much as I always do. I could go there every year, there’s so much to see and do!

JurasicPerks · 19/04/2022 12:54

Japan is awesome, but id think you would be restricted with the food.
I found this blog which talks about what you need to be careful about tho.

I'd think Korea would be harder.

maudesvagina · 19/04/2022 13:53

We did it in 2019. Being veggie wasn't easiest but managed. Not sure about special diets. It was incredible we went Japan 2 half weeks then Seoul for 3 days which I adored. Would go back to Korea in a flash.
The rail pass for Japan was very worthwhile if you're moving about a lot. We did Tokyo- Kyoto- Hiroshima - miyajima- Takayama. Different passes cover different areas and you book the fast trains at the station a bit before you want to go then very easy comfortable travel.
We used mainly Airbnb which were fantastic - mix of traditional and modern (Personally I wasn't that comfy on a mat on the floor but it was fun the first time)
My teens loved it - one been obsessed with Japan since childhood other obsessed with Korea so everyone was happy.
Only thing I found a bit odd was lots of Japanese shops wanted cash not card.

DaleTrimont · 19/04/2022 14:23

Thanks so much everyone. Eileen that is very helpful re food. One dd eats fish very occasionally and I think the other would be prepared to accept this if it was unavoidable as would I. Dh is less strict anyway but mainly vegetarian at home. It sounds as though gluten free might be more tricky.
I went to a school where we were given detention for eating in the street, and had parents who never did this either, so it is ingrained in me not to do this Grin
I have been thinking for a while about planning a trip and your posts have made me more excited . I think we would try to go this Autumn, depending on how things pan out with Covid .
I hate flying, so breaking the journey up would be better anyway. Maybe a night or two in Helsinki.

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DeyHuggee · 19/04/2022 14:29

Just chiming in to say Japan is absolutely incredible, I would recommend it to anyone. I taught English there for a few years albeit a while ago now and didn't notice food options much as I pretty much hoover anything, but it'll be amazing!

Twizbe · 19/04/2022 14:31

We're thinking of a Japan trip but I remembered something the other day.

DH's aunt is Japanese and recently had to cancel her trip home because of the flights. Usually flights go over Russian airspace which they are currently not doing. It meant she either had to go via Alaska (which was long) or via South Korea (which would work for you) but due to an accident back in 1983 her father forbade her to go that route.

I think the airlines have sorted out their alternative routes now but worth a check.

Blinkthrice · 19/04/2022 14:42

Just a word of warning, my friend recently visited S. Korea for work, had had his jabs, think he had to do a PCR before he went. Anyway, on arrival had to do a PCR (at the airport possibly?), it was positive and he was whisked away to isolation. The big thing though was that ALL his belongings except electronics were removed and destroyed, all his clothes, suit, bags etc, all gone. Be very aware that some countries are still taking covid much more seriously than we ever did!

DaleTrimont · 19/04/2022 15:40

Hmm that is a worry re Covid. You would think they could just quarantine belongings, that is quite an extreme response !
I also had not thought at all about airspace routes.

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DaleTrimont · 19/04/2022 15:42

I have hardly flown anywhere, so it isn’t something I have needed to give much thought to until now.

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ethelredonagoodday · 19/04/2022 15:44

Following as like you OP, Japan is on my list!

TheTurn0fTheScrew · 19/04/2022 15:44

Is Japan open to tourists yet? Last time I checked it was business travellers or residents only and the visa waiver was suspended.

Not trying to piss on your chips - we had a holiday booked for April 2020 and will be there like a flash as soon as we can.

Twizbe · 19/04/2022 15:49

I'm not sure, I have a feeling they've dropped their quarantine requirements. DH's aunt wasn't having to factor it in for this trip in Feb ... I don't think

SoggyPaper · 19/04/2022 15:52

I loved Korea. I saw some signs for GF food around about in Seoul (I noticed because my DS is coeliac so I tend to pick up on this stuff).

There are pretty traditional Korean dishes that are GF as standard. Samgyetang is a whole rice and ginseng stuffed chicken in a bowl of boiling soup (and really delicious), for example.

Einszwei · 19/04/2022 15:52

@EileenGC of course you can snack in the street! Korea has some of the best street food.

I have lived in Korea. Great place to visit - make sure to check out other cities. Jeonju is beautiful if you want to explore the cultural side of things.

If your daughters like shopping you have Myeongdong (equivalent of Oxford st) but the best shopping is found around universities (Ehwa Womens University in particular) and in underground shopping malls.

WhatHaveIFound · 19/04/2022 15:55

Following as Korea is on our list. Have suggested it to DS as a post A level trip next summer.

We did Japan when our DC were a lot younger and it was amazing. Would love to go back there again but thought we ought to try somewhere new first.

Watercoloursky · 19/04/2022 16:15

I think @EileenGC meant that in Japan it's considered rude to eat as you're walking along... not sure what the etiquette is in S Korea though - I would love to go one day! Smile

BunsyGirl · 19/04/2022 16:27

Following as both my DS’s are very keen on visiting Tokyo. Food is also a concern (but for different reasons) as my youngest is 8 (turning 9 this year) and he’s not as adventurous as his older brother who will pretty much try anything.

SummaLuvin · 19/04/2022 18:34

Similar to @TheTurn0fTheScrew, I had a trip to Japan booked for May 2020, then May 2021, then May 2022 and have just had to postpone again because - while they are relaxing for business, ex-pats...- tourism is still not considered a valid and acceptable reason to enter the country.

kimberly489 · 19/04/2022 18:39

[quote Einszwei]@EileenGC of course you can snack in the street! Korea has some of the best street food.

I have lived in Korea. Great place to visit - make sure to check out other cities. Jeonju is beautiful if you want to explore the cultural side of things.

If your daughters like shopping you have Myeongdong (equivalent of Oxford st) but the best shopping is found around universities (Ehwa Womens University in particular) and in underground shopping malls.[/quote]
How much Korean do you need to know if you want to go to a city?

GMH74 · 19/04/2022 18:50

I managed in Tokyo and Kyoto as a strict veggie back in 2003 so I would have thought it would be even more doable now. There were some designated vegetarian restaurants, particularly in Tokyo (it wasn't Japanese style food though), and also in Kyoto there were restaurants at some of the Buddhist sites which were vegetarian. I had the Rough Guide and Lonely Planet books which had restaurant recommendations and maps in.

Frazzled2207 · 19/04/2022 19:21

@DaleTrimont

Thanks so much everyone. Eileen that is very helpful re food. One dd eats fish very occasionally and I think the other would be prepared to accept this if it was unavoidable as would I. Dh is less strict anyway but mainly vegetarian at home. It sounds as though gluten free might be more tricky. I went to a school where we were given detention for eating in the street, and had parents who never did this either, so it is ingrained in me not to do this Grin I have been thinking for a while about planning a trip and your posts have made me more excited . I think we would try to go this Autumn, depending on how things pan out with Covid . I hate flying, so breaking the journey up would be better anyway. Maybe a night or two in Helsinki.
Via Helsinki is usually very sensible but not right now as closed Russian air space means the planes have to take much longer routes. I think that is the case for most planes to Japan atm.

Hope it works out I spent a very happy two years in Japan many years ago. My kids are too young now but would love to take them when they are teenagers. I think Korea would be Tricky for vegetarians. I was ok in Japan as a mostly pescatarian but I def accidentally ate meat quite a few times.

DaleTrimont · 19/04/2022 20:18

My eldest dd will have finished her A levels and so like pp it seems a good time to go.
We were going to have a holiday two years ago then Covid struck.
I didn’t realise that Japan might still be closed to tourists, nor had I thought about the impact of the war in Ukraine. I suppose we need to wait and see how things change over the next couple of months.

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Frazzled2207 · 20/04/2022 11:10

this suggests that tourism is very much off the cards still. Everyone needs a visa and tourism is not a reason for getting one. I'd hope things will open up in the next few months though.
www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/japan/entry-requirements

A friend is going this summer but her husband is japanese and her children have dual citizenship so presumably qualify.

Fupoffyagrasshole · 20/04/2022 16:25

We are hoping to go to Japan in September!

However might change the location now sadly as there are still no flights with BA scheduled and tourists are still not allowed :(

We had our first trip cancelled in April 2020 (covid)

Im gonna hold out a little longer and hope we can still make it happen this year eeeep

We will have our 1 year old with us

I think your kids would love it! we have done heaps of research and it just seems amazing

TizerorFizz · 20/04/2022 20:47

I would go to Japan or Korea. Not both where you skim the surface. Japan is exceptional snd I hope it opens up again. Soon!

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