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Italian Super Green Pass for Teens
Mia85 · 10/01/2022 21:47
Does anyone know the detail of the rules for the Italian super green pass and how to prove eligibility? I have a couple of questions and I can't work out the answer from the website. The adults are all currently boosted so should be fine but I had some questions about the children (all 12-15) who are currently only single vaxed so need another to be eligible for the pass.
The first Q is how long after the 2nd dose are children 'fully vaccinated' and so able to get a pass. Is it immediately or do you have to wait 14 days after the 2nd dose? We've got them booked in for the 2nd dose as soon as they are able (12 weeks after 1st) but that is just less than 2 weeks before we want to travel so might not work.
The second Q is what happens if one of them gets covid before the 2nd dose and we have to delay getting that 2nd dose (which seems fairly likely given that lots of their friends are going down with it...) Officially it looks as if they would be eligible for the pass if they have had one vaccine and then a recent recovery but I have no idea how to prove this if it happens, especially as they'd now not get a PCR test unless they have symptoms.
Thanks for any help. Booking at holiday now feels more like revising for an exam!
MissAmbrosia · 11/01/2022 10:42
italygreenpass.com/faq/
Answers all seem to be here. It looks as if the Super Green Pass would be valid immediately after vaccination - allowing time for the info to go online in the system.
Mia85 · 11/01/2022 11:16
Hi there, thanks v much for replying. Yes I have been looking at that but it is not completely clear on what counts as fully vaccinated (or at least if it is I can't find it).
Italians and other EU citizens will be showing that they are elibile using the EU digital pass. For the EU digital pass you have to be 14 days after your last vaccination to count as fully vaccinated ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-response/safe-covid-19-vaccines-europeans/eu-digital-covid-certificate_en . I am not sure whether the 14 day wait is required to be 'fully vaccinated' if you are not using the EU route.
The official website is here www.dgc.gov.it/web/faq.html#infgen
Mia85 · 11/01/2022 11:21
The recent recovery is a UK question I suppose. Now that we're not doing PCR tests for asymptomatic people with positive lateral flow tests I don't know how you can prove recovery in order to get a recovery certificate for international travel.
PlantBasedPlatypus · 11/01/2022 12:24
Yes, you need to wait the two weeks post second vaccine if you are not using the EU route - not using this EU route does not mean your immunity is built up any quicker.
The Covid Recover Certificate is issued by a medical professional or via the NHS App (I believe, the latter is quite new though). They use the positive result plus your ID document to do it. It has to be within a set amount of time though. Again, immunity wanes.
PlantBasedPlatypus · 11/01/2022 12:25
You can upload your LFT to the Government website using the QR code, it can take up to 24 hours to get onto the app though.
Mia85 · 11/01/2022 13:48
@PlantBasedPlatypus
The Covid Recover Certificate is issued by a medical professional or via the NHS App (I believe, the latter is quite new though). They use the positive result plus your ID document to do it. It has to be within a set amount of time though. Again, immunity wanes.
Thanks so much PlantBasedPlatypus - do you have a source for the 2 week point because I have looked everywhere for clarity on it and can't find it (but don't speak Italian). Of course the immunity build up point is right but countries take different views on the rules they attach to that and I am trying to work out what theirs is. Do you know if the 14 days are inclusive or exclusive of the day of the test and the day the pass is used? We might be able to do a shorter trip at the end of the holiday that is exactly at 14 days.
Until they are 'fully vaccinated' they can get into the country (with a negative test) but not stay in hotels so I am picturing a situation where we turn up from the airport and they are refused entry late at night!
Mia85 · 11/01/2022 13:51
Plus the NHS pass for adults seems to be available anything from a day after the vaccine www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/get-digital-covid-pass/ so if there is a 14 day wait requirement adults might also be caught out.
PlantBasedPlatypus · 11/01/2022 14:09
Apologies I misread slightly your question. I think the two weeks things is standard for any country requiring proof of vaccine, our Italian friends did say this - I will ask them for the source of the information. We were planning to visit but life threw some lemons and unfortunately we had to change our plans.
Have you tried the Embassy?
PlantBasedPlatypus · 11/01/2022 14:10
Oh and yes, in the UK you can use your COVID pass as soon as it is issued- all of our abroad trips have asked for post 14 days though, and the dates are on their of the vaccines when they have that proof too.
Mia85 · 15/01/2022 15:36
If anyone else is looking at this and thinking about it there is a long discussion on the difficulties of super green passes and 12-15 year olds in the skiing section www.mumsnet.com/Talk/skiing/4438556-italy-skiing?pg=5
Geamhradh · 15/01/2022 16:21
LFTs aren't accepted for Super Green Pass, only for Base Green Pass unfortunately (and if the pass is obtained via an LFT it's valid for exactly 48 hours)
I think I linked on the other thread to a travel page on Facebook, it's very helpful and in English.
One thing also to be aware of is the pass after the second dose loses its validity after 120 days if it's for Super GP. (In fact, we have just got back from our GP who is boosting on Saturday afternoons, my daughter was at 125 days after her second dose, and rules for schools now are if there are 2 cases in class, anybody not bolstered and at more than 120 days after second dose has to go online. )
Mia85 · 15/01/2022 19:24
Hi Geamhradh, thanks so much for replying. Would you know whether eligibility for the SGP comes immediately after the 2nd vaccination or whether it's necessary to wait for e.g. 14 days before that's possible? Thanks so much.
Thanks too for pointing out the 120 day expiry, I hadn't seen that anywhere, that's going to be a bit of a limit too. Does a booster also run out after 120 days?
The LFT problem is about proving recovery from infection in the UK. My children have only got a single vaccine at the moment. If they test positive before their second is due then they won't be able to have the full vaccine course before we want to go away. They should be able to get a SGP if they can show they have recovered but it seems to be incredibly difficult to prove a UK infection in a way that works for the SGP. This country has recently decided to stop doing PCRs for asmptomatic people with a positive LFT and I think that will make the problem worse becuase there'll be no lab test to prove the infection, just our word that there was a positive LFT.
It's all a bit of a minefield, thanks so much for you help in trying to get through it.
Geamhradh · 15/01/2022 21:00
It's an absolute minefield and we're here in Italy so lord knows how confusing for you guys!
Right, I recall (but will check on the gov website) that after our first doses we had to wait 14 days, but the second dose was updated immediately onto the existing pass details iyswim?
I'll go and have a look at the gov site
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