Child's first passport application help.please

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I'm not sure of a couple of things. Father of children doesn't have a current passport. Do I still enter the number and date of issue?
Also, supporting documents. I'm failing to understand this bit. Not normally quite so dense...... They are British, born here, both under 4. Are they classed as "registered as british"? In which case it wants certificate of registration. Not a birth cert.

Does he have an expired passport? I would put those details on. You send their long birth certificate if they were born here.

Yes he does, thanks. I thought it would be birth certificate but honestly can't make sense of the table of supporting documents.

The post office are really helpful when filling in these forms we've just done ours. I had to ring them a couple of times to clarify some things. If you pay a fee they will check and send them for you aswel, I think it was about £9.

If at least one of the parents was British (or had permanent residency) at the time of the child's birth, and the children are born here then no, they are not registered as British - they are automatically British.

A child would be registered as a British citizen in other circumstances e.g. if the whole family were originally from abroad and moved to the UK and went through the visa system.

Some of the questions will be trying to make sure that the child is automatically British - that is why they are asking for the passport details of parents.

Thank you. That was the bit confusing me! It says it needs grandparents documents but I didn't see that it wasn't necessary on all cases. Thanks it makes sense now. I will be using the check and send service!

Yes I rang the passport office and they said even if passport's expired they still want the number and issue date

The passport guidance says the following:

About grandparents: If your parents were born on or after 1 January 1983, you will also need to provide evidence of your grandparents’ claim to British nationality by providing their birth certificates and, in the case of grandfathers, their marriage certificates. This does not apply if:

•your parents’ British nationality is based on registration, naturalisation or their immigration status, or

•you have provided the number of your parents’ British passports in Section 4 of the application form.

So, if you provide the parent's British passport details, you do not need to provide any information about the grandparents. I would think that an expired passport would be OK - they are trying to ensure that at least one parent was British when the child was born in the UK.