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Longhaul - UK TO AUS via singapore - WHAT TO TAKE TO ENTERTAIN NEARLY 2 ,TODDLER? HELP!!!! in panic!!!

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mum20 · 23/03/2007 12:19

any tips on what to take for an active toddler - she's 2 in may - VERY active and im dreading the 23hr flight (2 hour stop in singapore). lone young parent and have NO clue - never flown on my own let alone with a toddler! HELP

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themaskedpoEAster · 23/03/2007 12:47

Hi mum20

I flew to NZ in Jan with my dd who was 2.7 at the time and I was absolutely dreading it.
However the flight was brilliant. My dd is very active too which was a point I kept dwelling on, but in the end it was good. Going to the toilets (such an adventure for a 2 year old) as well as the tv's they have on the back of the seats - pretty much kept her happy for ages.
The main thing though which made it ok was the fact that at this age the main thing they want is to spend time with Mum - and being on the plane, that is all there is for us mums to do - so they relish the attention and have loads of fun 'colouring' stuff, sticking stickers and such.

The aircraft staff are very good and are continually offering snacks and drinks - which is another distraction.

I took on loads of activity books and foam shapes you can stick together to make monsters and the like. By the end of each flight our seats looked rather messy - but as far as I was concerned we had paid enough - so didn't bother me in the slightest.

To be honest, in the end it was one of the best flights to NZ I had ever had (they usually seem to take forever - but this one flew past!) and we only had an hour in Singapore - although there is a playground and lots to see there.

Good luck, you will be absolutely fine and if there is anything else you want to know I will be HTH if I can!

jenkel · 23/03/2007 12:59

We (DH and me) flew to Australia with Singapore with a stopover in Singapore with a 2 1/2 year old and an 8 month old.

The flight was not nearly so bad as I thought it would be, we took lots of little things to play with, stickers went down very well. Also had a little CD player so dd could watch what she wanted which was a big hit. Singapore is a lovely airport and there were lots to do to keep them entertained. I did keep them up late the night before and woke them early, so they were tired and did sleep a lot on the flight.

To be honest the worst thing was the jet lag the other side, probably made worse by me making them tired and allowing them to sleep on the flight for so long.

mum20 · 23/03/2007 18:43

Thanks for both messages! stickers seems a great idea - never been done ( or even thought of) so should keep her occupied for even longer! Does anyone know if can give anything for jet lag for mum and baby?

Thanks again! BIG HELP! reasurring prob the biggest thing for me at the mo.

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arfishy · 23/03/2007 20:08

Excuuse dodgy typing ha ve keyboard prob.

I did UK-Oz with 2 year old on my own (and am about to do the trip back. I used a portable DVD player which was worth its weight in gold, stickers, lots of little toys wrapped in paper - magnetic books, stickers, colour wonder colouring (no mess), russian dolls, tub of playdough with a knife, snacks.

There are some anti-histamines you can use to help them sleep - I was prescribed one for my DD to help wiy oth the jetlag after she wouldn't sync out of 3am bedtimes for a week. Sometimes they cause the opposite effect so you need to test them out beforehand. It seems to be quite common too, so do test!

foxybrown · 23/03/2007 20:26

Not much more to add, but just wanted to say that IME it really won't be as bad as you think.

Book your seats and meals beforehand if you can. We flew Cathay and can book them online beforehand. cathay also provided bags of toys and activities which were age appropriate and they went down very well.

I found the ordinary seats better for the 'awake' part of the journey simply because I found the tables and tv a pain in the arse on the bulkhead. And the arms of the chair in between you and her will lift up so you can cuddle in and sleep together (they don't move on the bulkhead). Saying that, my DD slept fine on the floor on the bulkhead. Make sure you don't get middle seats so you can walk around with her. Part of the journey is probably going to mean that everyone else is asleep when you are awake. Don't worry if anyone else tuts or fusses.

Those freebies from the front of kids comics are good to collect up and take - in fact anything which you can leave behind.

I ordered kids meals for them, but found that they preferred the adult pasta meals instead of the nuggets/sausages on offer. The airline was happy to substitute when it could.

I took milk for my DD, but should've put it in her bottles first for the airport. Don't assume there will be enough on the plane.

If you are organised and prepared and don't mind the hard work of entertaining a two year old in the dark it'll be fine. And anyone who fusses and tuts, well, they can sleep at the other end! You have enough to worry about!

And if that's me not having much more to add, you should see me when I'm going on and on!!

CODalmighty · 23/03/2007 20:26

try searchign in the archives ther are zilliosn of thread on this

CODalmighty · 23/03/2007 20:27

Travel
Surviving the journey
Sure, it's easy to say it's all worthwhile once you get there. It just may not seem that way when you're a mere forty minutes into the trip with an inconsolable 4 year-old and just one wet wipe and a half pack of cheese and onion crisps left between you. Well take heart, there are plenty of ways to mitigate disaster when you travel with children. The trick to organising stress-free, comfortable and enjoyable travel is to plan well ahead of your family's needs and have plenty of ideas up your sleeve to satisfy them.

Universally, a few golden rules apply:

If you are driving, get a map and study it before you go. Write out explicit directions from Point A-B (glancing at these directions can be a lot easier than looking at a map, especially when your attention is so easily drawn elsewhere). Plan to use motorways wherever you can. They are faster, less likely to cause travel sickness and the constant movement will keep them drowsy. What is more, most motorway service stations have a range of kid-friendly facilities including baby rooms and a play area.
If you're flying, remember both the airline and the timing of your flight can have a significant bearing on your stress levels. From the time you book until the time you land, the trick to flying with kids is to keep clear in your mind exactly what you want, firmly request it and keep on asking until you get it. The sort of kid-friendly services airlines offer can include designated flight attendants to care for families, play-packs, organic babyfoods, special pre-cut toddler meals, children's in-flight entertainment channels and pre-allocated seats. Charter flights may be generally cheaper and for some destinations may even be more convenient. The problem is that the later in the day you fly, the more likely you are to be delayed. Scheduled flights are more expensive for a reason. They always retain their precedence in the takeoff order.
Babies

Make your baby's car-seat more comfortable by placing a folded blanket under his knees so that they are slightly bent.
If your baby is in a rear-facing seat, tape brightly coloured posters or photographs to the seat for visual stimulation. Minimise moments of chaos by tying favourite toys onto the car-seat itself (just make sure the string is short enough to avoid him wrapping it around his neck.)
If your baby starts crying once you are on the road and you are unable to stop, a gentle chest rub and softly spoken nursery rhyme can work wonders.
A bottle and food warmer that plugs into a cigarette lighter is ideal for meals on the move.
If you're flying bear in mind that even with just one piece of hand luggage most of your things will need to be stored in an overhead locker that's hard to get at. Keep the paraphernalia you know that you are going to need in one small accessible bag that fits just under your seat.
Small babies are much more sensitive to air-pressure as the plane climbs and descends. Crying helps clear their ears, though you may prefer to give them a drink, as swallowing has the same calming effect.
It is worth knowing that pushchairs are carried free on airlines and can often be taken right up to the point of boarding. Officially, though, carrycots are not supposed to be brought aboard (though airlines will often concede so long as they are collapsible) Availability permitting, you're best off pre-booking a sky cot or bassinet. If you can't be certain of one (charter planes rarely have bassinets) arrive early for check-in and ensure you ask for bulkhead seats. This provides enough room to park your sleeping baby between your feet and the bulkhead, allows room for changing, plus a mini play-area out of the aisle.
Toddlers

First off, don't mess with an established nap schedule. You may think that keeping your little one up through the morning nap means he'll take a longer afternoon nap on the plane but you'd be wrong! You'll just wind up with an overtired, crab-faced monster.
Leave for road trips before dawn. Put sleeping toddlers in the car still in their PJs and wrapped in their duvets and you'll be a good three hours down the road before they even start to stir.
Little ones soon tire of endless hours strapped into a seat. Bear in mind they can't bend over to retrieve dropped items, they can't twist and look around as much as they would like and, what is more, they are boiling over with energy. Try to change the tempo as often as possible. Alternate between sing-along tapes, telling stories, offering snacks and favourite toys and books. Binoculars are a useful diversion.
Surprise and reward toddlers for their patience. Ready-wrapped (use plenty of paper) gifts go a long way towards keeping them smiley.
If you are considering sedatives for a long flight, do be prepared for the fact that these can have the opposite effect, creating more of a grizzle than a snooze. Be sure to try out the right dosage before you fly.
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Haribosmum · 24/03/2007 08:17

Just wanted to add (not sure if anyone has already) that Singapore airport has a great kids play area. We always let our son have a run aroung to guarantee to sleeps on the second legg of the journey! Also books, toys etc are a good idea. But it's not as bad as you think! I get really nervous every time we do the UK to Auckland trip and every time my son is fantasticly behaved! Doing it with 2 next time though!!

sydneygirl · 24/03/2007 09:06

I've just done Manch - Melbourne with a 4 year old and a two year old ON MY OWN!
And mighty proud of me and them I was! At the end of the day, they can't go anywhere on the plane. Sure, they can wander but you'll find that the plane atmosphere is quite intimidating - lots of people sat down so they're more at your children's height. This puts them off from roaming.
Singapore is a perfact stop-over as you get the longest leg out of the way first. The second leg then feels like a doddle.
At the airport I just let the children run wild, as I knew they'd wear themselves out for the actual journey. Two hours sleep in 24 hours for both of them, so it was long!
If I were doing it again, I'd take more sandwiches (they didn't eat any of their child's meal) and that's it!
Singapore Airlines are fab and they will come and speak to you and your child, and also (which I found fab) tell them off if they're climbing all over the chairs. My children never listen to me, but would take orders of a strange lady in a very tight dress!!
Good luck - we only did this journey last week and so I know exactly how you feel. If it helps, I would do it on my own again, it was fine!

Diplidophus · 26/03/2007 09:18

Great thread - I am flying to Brazil next week with a 2yo and dreading it. It is charter so I am worried that a lot of the normal freebies and support from the stewerdesses won't be on offer. I am also 6 nmotnhs pregnant and have SPD so mobility is not good! Can't wait!

sunnydelight · 26/03/2007 11:08

If you can, get the seats at the very back of the plane where the formation goes from 3-4-3 to 2-4-2. With just the two of you there's no worries about disturbing a sleeping neighbour and you seem to have a bit more space. There is also the queue for the loo so your little one will have a captive audience to chat to If you are flying with Singapore Airlines their in flight entertainment is fantastic with plenty of kids stuf. Beware the chocolate though; Singpore airlines put an awful lot of sweet stuff on the tray with every kids meal - my 7 year old was nearly (but thankfully not quite) sick at one point. He used his brother as a living shield so I didn't realise just quite how much crap he had eaten!

Rantum · 26/03/2007 12:04

Went on a shorter long -haul flight with v.v active 2 year old ds recently. It WAS hard work, but I was actually surprised at how much easier it was than I expected.

  1. - if poss book ahead for a seat in the front row in economy - if your child is still just under 2 you can probably still get one of the airlines "car seats" to sleep her in.
  1. Put together a bag for your toddler with stuff to do:

A couple of favourite books
A puzzle
Crayons
Colouring books
mini playdough pots
dolls/fave cuddly toy for sleeping

3.If possible take a dvd player with favourite "calming" DVDs.

  1. Remember sippy cups if using - lots of fluid is important on long flights and thirst can make them tetchy.
  1. My ds had a cold so I took a bottle of medised to give him one dose for his ears and to help him sleep - it worked (check regulations for the amount you can take in hand luggage - think it is less than 100 mls)
  1. Let your dd RUN around in airports before flight and during stopovers - find any play areas - don't worry if it interrupts normal sleep routines they are going to be a bit mucked up anyway - let them burn off steam
  1. TRY not to let the almost inevitable crying or screaming by child make you feel bad - your anxiety could prolong the episode if your child senses it. Accept that she might cry/wriggle/scream - if you stay relatively calm she will eventually calm down too. (Easier said than done, I know)
  1. Make it as exciting as possible - going on a plane can be a big adventure - use this to your advantage "oooh, look at the clouds" "we are up in sky!" - remember all new things are exciting to a toddler. My ds was FASCINATED by all the other people on board (although his staring was a bit embarrassing - I figured it was better that he did that than ignore everyone and scream the plane down!)
  1. Remember the flight WILL end! Look forward to the destination.
  1. HAVE A GREAT TRIP!
Rantum · 26/03/2007 12:12

If you are travelling after dd turns 2 in may and she has her own seat on the flight - the bulkhead "carseat" thing that I mentioned below is not really relevant, obviously.

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catASTROPHE · 27/03/2007 12:57

I'd get an antihistamine - medised or phenergan (ask your Dr) - even if you don't use it its a good back up, but do test it first, as someone said. We found ut most helpful for establishing a sleep routine when we arrived, and used it for 3 nights until she adjusted to the time zone.

Agree, lots of little cheap toys, wrapped up like pressies - stuff you can lose and not worry about. Also her fave cuddly toy of course, and a little blanket to snuggle up under. Also, take her PJs and grow bag and get her chabged into them on the plane when you want her to sleep. Seems like a faff, but it may help her settle for a sleep.

If she has a dummy, take it for sucking on during take off in case it hurts her ears. Otherwise a sippy cup to suck on, or even a lollypop on a stick.

I came over here from aust with my 19 month old and was 7 months pregnant. It was a bit hellish, but in the end, its only one day, and we got over it pretty quickly. You''ll be fine.

maisym · 27/03/2007 13:06

take as little as possible in a ruck sack as hand luggage for the plane. A sideways strap small handbag for money & tickets etc.

aquadraw pictures of disney princesses & winnie the pooh - I think from tomy. If you lose the pen a tissue with water works fine. They dry & then need redoing - fab

stickers that can be peeled & repositioned

non sticky snacks - bread sticks & crackers

a sick bag just in case, an easy clothes change & wipes.

for you wear stretchy easy trousers so comfy if you dd wants to sit or stand on your lap. Easy tracksuit for your dd. Take a fleece banket as light & drys fast if it gets wet. warm socks as the plane can be cold.

if she's busy on the plane she'll nap when you arrive & are tired out!

good luck

MEMsmum · 27/03/2007 13:09

We've done number of long haul flights with DC's when they were varying ages - best thing we had when they were your LO's age is fuzzy felt - ELC do some really good ones - dressing up dolls and the alphabet & numbers one was great for all sorts of games - secret codes, hangman (or hangmummy!!), etc. Of course, this was before the back of headrest TV/Games player that was fantastic during our trip to OZ last summer - kept all 3 entertained. Though did almost choke when woke up from nap to find DD2 (8 at time) watching an episode of Friends and asking why "girth" was so funny!!! And noticed DD1 turning her screen off quickly too!

We also pack lots of nice treaty snacks - airline food (even kids meals) don't often appeal or appear at the most convenient interval! Crisps, yogurty covered cereal bars, chocolate, etc plus water bottles and sucky sweets/lollipops for take-off and landing.

Also, changes of clothes for you as well as LO's - all 3 of mine have at one stage puked all over me as well as themselves! Sitting smelling cheesy isn't fun. I also pack extra pair of knickers and lots of pantliners for me - can feel quite yucky after a long flight sitting down all the time!!! Or maybe that's just me !

MEMsmum · 27/03/2007 13:14

Oops - posted unedited version - changed my mind about chocolate - just remembered horrid occurance of sitting on some and looking like I'd had an accident!!! We take carrots and cucumber sticks, as well as apples - used to take a fruit knife to cut them up but obviously wouldn't be allowed now! (Am a good Mum honest - don't feed them trash all the time!)

slug · 27/03/2007 13:15

Singapore airport has a swimming pool in (I think) terminal 2. Pack swim nappies in your carry on luggage. The towel comes as part of the entrance price. I found it well worth the money for exhausting an active 19 month old when travelling to NZ on my own with her. The only trouble came when she decided teddy needed a swim too.

maisym · 27/03/2007 13:16

my dd nearly sat on some choc once!!

fuzzy felt is a great idea.

check content of kids meals - once the dessert was a sticky sugar coated doughnut!!! - ahhhh!!!!

yum03creameggs · 27/03/2007 13:34

I found going to the local pound-shop buying lots of cheap tacky and disposable toys (even McDonalds toys!!), wrapping them in gift paper worked a treat for my two aged 2 and 1 when travelling long-haul. I gave them each a "present" each hour and while the paper went in the bin, any lost/broken toy could be got rid of too, without worrying about the expense.

A new - 'lift-the-flaps' book went down well too. I think that if I were travelling long haul now I would also invest in a portable dvd player, and take plenty of battery power.

I would reiterate too what has been written about taking change of clothes and small dry snacks.

Also check what calpol (or equivalent) that you can take on board, to reassure you that you have some if needed during the trip. A child in pain is no fun to travel with.

Try to allow her to sleep when she needs to, as she could get overtired with the excitement.

I hope that you have a successful journey, let us know how you got on and what worked for you.

alibo · 27/03/2007 23:14

i have just done manchester to melbourne, then onto tasmania on my own with ds, who is just 3. i have to say i took far too many things in his hand luggage which he just wasn't interested in for more than 2 minutes, eg books, sticker books, playdough, little cars, etc. we flew with emirates and he was totally fascinated with their in flight entertainment system, and the remote control for this. he watched disney films, childrens's channels etc. we did also have our own dvd player, but barely used it. On return journey he just had a few snacks, etc in a little backpack provided by emirates,which was better as he could carry this himself. the worst parts of the journey were actually in the airports struggling with him, pushchair and 2 hand luggages.
I took some of his favourite cordial in a travel bottle, and an empty non-spill cup so i could make him drinks up with cold water throughout the journey. the doctor gave me an anti- histamine to help him sleep, which worked brilliantly. also packing his blanket was a waste as these were provided with little pillows for sleeping. also try and pre book your seats, we did this online, so we picked just 2 seats on our own when possible. all in all travel as lightly as you can, the less you have to carry the better; and the flight was nowhere near as bad as i had imagined. good luck!!

hitchcock · 01/04/2007 21:11

mum20 when you going to oz we are off at the end of april and cant wait we are going with a 3yr old and 16 month old god help us!!!! staying over night in singapore thou!!!

mum20 · 02/04/2007 13:38

in 8 days for a month - so excited, - but so nervous about the flights

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