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want to emigrate to Australia with my 4Dc's before its too late-ANY ADVICE PLEASE!!

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swampmonster · 26/07/2012 20:52

Hi I am keen to hear from anyone that has tried to emigrate to Australia or anyone that may have already done so successfully.
I have 4 children-8,6,4 & 1 and I feel that they would move very easily at these ages without too much affecting education or friendships etc.
We would try to go short term at first with a view to stay.My husband would try to get in on his trade as they are having a massive 'migration drive' within his sector at the moment so this would stand us in very good stead.We are both young (ish).
My couple of queries I would love answered if anyone has experience is :
a) where to go? we are unsure of any of the areas
b) SPIDERS- I was fine until I looked them up on the net- nearly stopping me from going-please tell me how the Aussies learn to relax with a huntsman climbing up your leg...... does anyone know of any therapy I could go for to conquer this irrational fear....funny enough the smaller red backs don't at all worry me and all the statistics show that there have been no deaths surrounding spider bites etc but as i am sure many people out there are the same as me.I am not scared of dying very strangely but of a massive spider climbing my leg....sorry I could go on but how do I beat this as this is our dream of dreams so i want to be able to enjoy & help the children with any spiders they may stumble across to keep them safer.
Anyway apart from that let me know any good experiences to get me all the more excited.!!

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nancy75 · 26/07/2012 20:58

Have you ever been to australia?

swampmonster · 26/07/2012 21:04

not yet may do a house swap first.I have travelled extensively & never got that far.I know lots of people that have & have an uncle there.My family said that they would have done it if they had the chance.

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nancy75 · 26/07/2012 21:08

I would suggest a visit first, the exchange rate for us is very bad at the moment and cost of living is Australia is higher than here. My dh is Australian and nothing would get me to live there ( no offense to any Aussies who read this!).

Fluffy1234 · 26/07/2012 21:34

If you get a chance watch the series called 'Wanted Down Under'. It is about families thinking of emigrating and is quite a shocker to see the price of housing and food due to the low exchange rate.

swampmonster · 26/07/2012 21:51

exchange rate what do you mean as we would be working there ,we would have a salary,dh could potentially earn an annual salary was 55,000 australian dollars.Nancy 75 have you ever been to Australia?what do you dislike about it so much?
Wouldn't be buying just renting short-term....we would definitely trial it first to see how we got on,just thinking whilst the children are young for a positive experience.
Our economy does;t leave much to rave about at the moment either does it....at least it would be sunny there!

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nancy75 · 26/07/2012 22:04

Yes I have been several times. The exchange rate matters more if you are selling a house here in order to buy there, however you would need to take money with you to keep you going while your dh starts work, he wouldn't get paid straight away. I don't hate Australia, but Brits it's have view of life being all beach and sunshine, it's not really like that. We live in London and there is nothing in Australia that would make me give up living here. The economy there is better than here, but not booming and cost of living is really high, food shopping is shocking! As for the weather that depends which bit you go to- it didn't stop raining in Brisbane this summer. I do know people that have emigrated, some have loved it, others couldn't get back here fast enough.

ChippingInNeedsCoffee · 26/07/2012 22:06

My advice - go to NZ instead, it's much nicer and no horrible spiders/snakes!!

sashh · 27/07/2012 07:53

Don't go to NZ, the accent is horrid.

OK I've visited Aus a couple of times, my aunt emmigrated in 1966 so my cousins have lived there all their lives.

Perth - this is where all the £10 pomes went, the accent is almost English and there are things like soccer clubs (according to my cousin all the parents have English or Scottish accents) it is a relaxed way of life.

Not everyone has a pool, but it is not unusual to have one either.

The big disadvantage is that it is so far away from anywherre else in Oz. You are closer to Aisia than Sydney and two time zones away.

Sydney - I loved it, but it is not for everyone.

Caines - is tropical so it never really gets cold, great for scuba diving, looking at coral but most jobs are tourist industry or growing sugar cane.

My advice would be to visit a couple of cities, arrange to visit the local schools and a couple of work places.

The down side of things with my family, my grandmother died last year, my cousins never met her and they could not attend the funeral.

PatriciaHolm · 27/07/2012 12:38

I think you need to do a lot of research about where you would go, just what 55k would get you there and the lifestyle you would have. I know a few Brits who have emigrated and returned, as it's not the nirvana they had built it up to be. Life is expensive, the weather can be very harsh, the economy is suffering and those with young children haven't been very happy with schooling. You are also a very very long way away from family and friends.

Tansie · 27/07/2012 14:55

I spent 15 years in Oz, where I met my DH, and had my DSs. We came ('back', for me, as I lived in the UK til I was 25) to the UK 9 years ago. DSs are now 11 and 13.

Like others have said, be careful! It's not like the programmes would have you believe!

Yes, the weather is generally a fair bit better; of course it is.. BUT if you live in an unheated house in Victoria, those southerly winds come straight off the Antarctic in July. Brr. In summer, the pavements melt! In the tropical north the humidity flattens you (and you can't leap in the sea to cool down- sharks, crocs and box jelly-fish!) if the rain doesn't wash you away! You have to keep young DC under cover from 10 to 4 every day as the sun is so fierce- and it gets dark by 6.30pm!

The Australian economy is booming, on paper, but there is a strong feeling of '2 tier' wealth: those with an interest in the mining industry boom; those who haven't. It is entirely dependent of the Chinese economy continuing to grow at breakneck speed.

For me, though, the 'biggie' was, tbh, the people. Aussies are a bit larger than life. They can be fabulously back-slapping and gregarious, but you have to be ready to grit your teeth when, 2 stubbies in, they're berating the Bloody Abos or Pakis, whilst calling for their sheila to fetch them another can. They're, outside of the major cities, rather suspicious of academe (and 'outsiders' tbh!). To me it's so typical that every 'Move Down Unda' show states the 'fact' that the 'education system is second to none', but it's just a classic Australian assumption: it's Australian so it's bound to be the best, innit? In fact, of the 4 families I know who went over (and all came back in the end), all had DC who had to be given help to catch back up with their peers back in the UK. Sport is revered far above Physics and Maths (in some schools, being good at that is considered 'gay'); religion is a Bigger Deal, even in your choice of career. Where we lived on the Sunshine Coast we had the choice of 6 private schools, all of which were run by religious foundations- 2 were even Fundamentalist, fossils-are-the-work-of-the-devil stylee.

Our neighbours on the Coast were nice enough people but blimey, what a monoculture! Every bloke spent his time off, fishing, every woman down at the shopping Plaza, everyone got to together for barbies and many were borderline alcoholics. You'd find way more culture in a city but maybe not with young DC, living in suburbia. And houses are expensive! An affordable good sized family home would be out in the stick with rainwater to drink and a septic tank.

Swimming pools are great! But you have to look after them all year round, even for the 6 months you're not using it.

An interesting observation: I worked in a state hospital where there were many ex-Poms, many who'd been in Oz for decades. You could divide them into those who wish they were able to return to the UK but were sort of trapped by effectively having Aussie kids in education or married, with the grandkids; and those who'd never go back to that old 'shit hole' (sorry, but that's what many would say!). How would you divide them? Doctors, nurses and professionals in the first camp; tradesmen, porters and cleaners in the second.

The wildlife would probably be the least of your worries Grin and, actually, Huntsmen are a good thing as they clear any redbacks out of the house! A dog is handy for de-snaking the garden, too.

By all means go but don't sell your UK house.

kelly14 · 28/07/2012 10:03

did u really mean to say $55,000 per year or was that a typr and would yoou be working also ? if so no way should you move as you will wont be able to live on that.
i was on more than that and it was just me and my then 3 year old!

I emigrated to sydney in 2008 with Permanent residency (moved back last july for personal reasons but will be moving back))

Cost us a fortune to move (well it cost my parents who funded it)
Rent was nearly $500 per week, plus electric and gas so much more expensive in oz.
Food shopping extortionate, as is boooze and eating out.

23balloons · 28/07/2012 10:20

Some parts of Australia eg Sydney are more expensive than London. I lived in Sydney for several years as dh is australian & it wasn't for me as I am not a big beach person & don't like it too hot & tbh we wouldn't be able to afford to live anywhere near central Sydney. The suburbs are pretty bleak imo i.e. no transport nowhere near beach etc. My sil wanted to rent but couldn't find anything decent and ended up paying almost 7 figures for a house around an hour from the centre.

If you annual income with 4 kids is around $55k then you would definitely be looking at the cheaper areas to survive in oz. I have seen the down under shows and I think there was one where Darwin was a good place for families or maybe somewhere around Adelaide, keep away from the large expensive cities.

I think there is probably a better lifestyle for families over there but you will be giving up all of your support networks back in the uk.

BardOfBarking · 28/07/2012 10:34

I lived in Australia for 2 years; Sydney and Perth. I was footloose and fancy free and had an absolute ball! I wouldn't consider moving back with my family unless I could afford to live in Sydney 'proper'.

Iheartpasties · 28/07/2012 11:35

55000 wouldn't go very far in Aus. You want to check out rental prices and things like that to get an idea of living costs.

I live near Sydney and our rent is very high! Just for a tiny flat. Check out domain.com.au and homehound.com.au

Iheartpasties · 28/07/2012 11:37

content.mycareer.com.au/salary-centre/salaries

Iheartpasties · 28/07/2012 11:38

content.mycareer.com.au/salary-centre/

Iheartpasties · 28/07/2012 11:38

the second link should work (i hope)

MarigoldsInTheWindow · 28/07/2012 14:26

wow, our salery avgs at 120k, thats food for thought

gregssausageroll · 28/07/2012 20:08

Firstly, do you qualify for a visa. If you don't there is no point looking at it. If you do you need to work out if you can get there as residents or temp. If temp you are looking at international school fees. What will you earn? If you are looking st 55,000 dollars forget it as you can't afford it.

Got for a holiday and see if you like it.

Spiders are there yes but no more than what you'd find in the uk. You can get a spray that will keep them and cockroaches out of your house for 3 months.

gregssausageroll · 28/07/2012 20:11

And don't watch wanted down under as it is no help. It makes it all wonderful and fluffy. Reality is not.

sashh · 30/07/2012 05:15

I'd forgoten the casual racism, maybe I blanked it out.

There are some day to day things to consider. You cannot leave anything 'out' in the kitchen because of cockroaches (Perth - not sure if it applies elsewhere).

Heat - I have never been in an Australian summer, I know I would not survive. Think not just keeping beer / wine in the fridge, but the glasses as well. If you have air con (and can afford to run it) it is noisy, if you don't it is too hot to sleep.

Also worry more about biting insects than spiderrs. Even in the winter you have to be careful, and if you have food more so. One Australian tip I learned is to spray the underside of a table with insect repellant if you are eating outside. And you need to do this every time.

OneLittleToddlingTerror · 30/07/2012 12:51

I'm from NZ and want to say don't go there either if you really truly want a future for your children. It might shock you but we have one of the largest number of expats overseas (in proportion to population). Some say there are a million, and that's a lot for a country of 4 million. Some doubt the number but what doesn't change is that most young people have to leave the country to chase their dreams or a career. It's what you think of Ireland and Greece here.

As for AU$55k a year. No way you can survive with that income. That's a very very low pay.

MORCAPS · 31/07/2012 08:51

Casual racism my arse, it is the same as in the UK.

$55,000 for a family of 6 in Sydney? Not gonna happen. Might be OK if you go regional.

We are a family of 4 with an income of $250k+. We have a very nice lifestyle but are not 'rich' in Sydney terms.

OneLittleToddlingTerror · 31/07/2012 10:52

People tend to have a really rosy view of downunder. Dreaming how you'd exchange your small little house here with a nice huge house when they emigrate. An average house in Auckland is NZ$600,000. That's about £310k. It's worth more than my house here in the south east. And I know Sydney is more expensive than Auckland in every way.

mumzy · 04/08/2012 08:26

Agree with Tansie's comments on Aussie life. I been there several times backpacking around the country and the only place I'd want to live is Sydney.

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