irish passport expires whilst abroad

[BeingBooyhoo]

can anyone direct me to information that will help me convince my friend that she needs to renew her passport immediately.

she is 18 and holds a child's passport. we are leaving belfast for ibiza on the 30th of june for 1 week. her Irish passport expires on the 2nd of july. she just told me this week! i have told her we wont be allowed to fly out of belfast for our holiday (or rather she wont) but she insists that it is fine and she will be permitted to fly out and then return.

does anyone know where i can show her that she is wrong. we booked this holiday in january and she has had all this time to check her passport. i'm really pissed off TBH. if she doesn't sort this out and soon we will both lose our holiday and our money.

Here is the Foreign Office advice on travelling to Spain (see the section "entry requirements") which says that your passport must be valid for the duration of your stay.

Also, you are not allowed on a plane without a valid passport (even if you have a valid ticket), and she would be coming back without a valid passport! Check your airline's website - I'm sure they would say that you need your passport to travel.

- How will YOU lose your holiday?? Go without her?

from the FCO website for Ibiza:

Your passport must be valid for the proposed duration of your stay. No additional period of validity beyond this is required. However, it is always sensible to have a short period of extra validity on your passport in case of any unforeseen delays to your departure. You do not have to wait until your old passport expires to apply to renew it. Any time left on your old passport when you apply will be added to your new passport, up to a maximum of nine months.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/travelandtransport/foreigntravel/beforeyoutravel/dg_4016874 UK government advice says, under "travelling to Europe", "and remember, you will need to show your passport at immigration control when you return to the UK" and I'm sure the same would apply in Ireland. Because otherwise the Irish (or any) government wouldn't be able to check whether you were entering legally or not. A Irish valid passport shows you have the right to enter Ireland.

Here is the Irish government saying exactly the same as the UK government on travel to Spain - you need a passport valid for the duration of your stay.

Spain is eu so she should be alright as long as she has another valid form of id... It would have to be a government issue id like a drivers licence though. Although I'm not sure if that extends to Ibiza as it's an automatise (sp?) community

Do Ireland have is cards, if so she should be able to travel on that.

I think the Irish government advice that "your passport must be valid for the duration of your stay" is pretty clear and definitive.

You should ring your airline and / or the Irish foreign office (not sure what it's called) if you are still unsure.

Even though UK/Ireland at in EU they have not signed up to Schengen agreement so you need a valid passport to travel between UK/Ireland and other EU countries.

Oh yes, forgot about Schengen - OP, that's an agreement between most of the EU countries - but not including the UK or Ireland - for passportless travel between those countries. So you can travel without a passport between France and Spain (for example) - you just drive straight over the border with no passport checks - but not between Ireland and Spain.

Irish Passport Express service takes 10 working days, which would mean the passport would arrive the day before you travel, if she applies tomorrow (cutting it rather fine).

Or, if you go in person to a public counter at a Passport Office, they can do it in 3 working days and "an additional fee may be payable", see here...

It says online for money schengen countries 'passport or valid id which must ne government issue'

Btw, id go without her if she cant travel, why should you miss out?!

None schengen.... Autocorrect!!

When you load your pre daperture info on the airlines website or at the airport if they do it for you, you will not be permitted to go. If the check in person accepts you they are liable.....and will probably get fired so they will refuse her 100%

Dp has travelled on numerous occasions between Britain and Ireland with no passport, both non schengen countries.

She does have time to go to the passport office and sort it though... Just tell her if she doesn't you'll give her ticket to someone else!

Although Britain and Ireland are non-Schengen, they have separate arrangement between them, the Common Travel Area, which allows passportless travel to and from Britain and Ireland.

See also the section called EU members with opt-outs on this wikipedia entry about Schengen, which says the same.

This doesn't change the fact that you need a passport to travel between Ireland and Ibiza /Spain.

travelling between Britain and Ireland is different though:

Ireland, along with the UK, is a member of the Common Travel Area. This means that British Citizens do not require a passport to visit Ireland. However, Irish immigration officers will check the IDs of all passengers arriving by air from the UK and most airlines will not carry passengers to and from Ireland unless they have seen satisfactory photographic ID before boarding. Travellers to Ireland are therefore advised to take their British passports with them.

Other than passports, some carriers may accept other types of photographic ID. For their acceptability, please consult your carrier before travelling. Take care to read any advice they may give when booking tickets on the Internet.