The Historical Ponderings Society

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Following on from the thread "What questions do you have about stuff from History or am I the only one?" Which is here

Ever wondered how we got from the clothes of Cave people to the clothes of today?

Who was the first person to make and eat Cheese? Or cake?

How ideas became widespread

Why the Aztecs didn't have the wheel?

Why Elizabeth I never married?

How accurate historical fiction is?

Then this your thread and we are your people.

PROCEED HISTORY LOVERS

Eggs were also buttered to preserve them . The butter blocked the pores in the shell.

And why us my phone adding a random apostrophe to more than one pirate?!

Hang on, proper job isn'the said everywhere?

isn't

Stupid autoincorrect.

She seemed to use it - and that very rarely - as a sort of 'Harrumph' about things, Weeds. Something that she was going to do but ......very grudgingly.

I don't think so ebear. My OH found the name of the shop inexplicably hilarious when he first encountered it. I just stared at him blankly. He's not from round these parts....

Trills

So your generation understand the phrase but don't use it? That's how things go out of the common language, I guess.

Ah - not the image that sprang to mind cozie . I was thinking more a bit of lipstick judiciously applied to the pig, lights down low, music in the background, pig says "no"...

I don't think that the term 'forced' had any sexual connotation at all, I fear.

PS - many Scots were sold into slavery by their feudal lords - the clan chiefs.

Pirates being West Country at least goes back to Treasure Island which was written in the late 19th century. I always assumed it was even earlier than that because of the Elizabethan buccaneers like Drake and Raleigh, though.

You're best off with a fairly isolated coastline, with lots of inlets and beaches, but a reasonably good transport system to the rest of the country. Local tradition helps as well of course.

Also if you want to go pirating in the Caribbean, starting in, say, Whitby gives you several days extra sailing before you've even got out of the North Sea. Devon a much better base.

Until this thread I didn't know that everyone didn't understand "Proper job". (just like Ebearhug)

Not sure I'd quite believe that we have "reasonably good transport system to the rest of the country" though :o

Better than the North West of Scotland, though.

It's all relative!

Pretty much rules out East Anglian pirates too! I think I remember reading somewhere that Elizabethan accents would have sounded more American than English and there is an island in the USA where the local accent is supposed to be Shakespearian. Can't remember the name though.

And Irish rounded up and sent to Virginia too. Plus a programme of sending London street children to work on the plantations too.

I saw a programme about the dialect in Chesapeake Bay once, might have been there.

I think everywhere probably has their own version of "proper job", don't they?

Not many places have a word for or concept of "dreckly", though...

I thought that Cornwall was pirate /smuggling HQ in the UK, with sailors like Raleigh (a Plymouth boy) helping establish the stereotype of "arrr, me hearties" type pirate?

White slaves came from all over the British isles, as well as Ireland

Maybe I undersold the importance of local connections, slightly. If you're going to offload a ship full of 'dodgy goods' then having local and close-mouthed connections from way back when would be pretty important. It wouldn't make up for navigational issues or transport issues but it would likely sway the balance a good deal if other things were more equal.

It's like an established trade route that everyone knows. Just that the items being traded were a little .......questionable.

To The Revenue at least!

I think there were smugglers all over - plenty here in Yorkshire.
What about wreckers? Were they distinctively Cornish, do we think? You would certainly need a particular sort of coastline.

He's not from round these parts....

And you still married him, Weeds? That's proper daring!