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French - choosing between language and literature?

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StayingZen · 23/03/2010 11:16

While I'm here ... Second DD (Yr 12) wants to study French, possibly with another subject, with the eventual aim of joining the police or similar social/education oriented career. She is likely to get B or C grades. Any recommendations, and any suggestions for helping her to appreciate the basic distinction between a literature-based and a language-based course, since they don't study literature at A-level any more! Many thanks in advance!

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Milliways · 23/03/2010 20:31

DD is studying languages at Cambridge. She decided against Oxford as it is almost all literature based. When she asked how they learn about the politics, history, culture etc the answer was "all from the literature".

She does do literature but has modules in Translation, Use of French/Other languages, Linguistics, History etc. You can also study culture, art and more.

Look at the on-line prospectuses for different Uni's and they list the modules available to choose from. Also, look at The Student room forums.

Oh, and she did minimal literature at A level, just did some self study to put on the Ucas forms!

PlanetEarth · 23/03/2010 21:44

They don't study any literature for A-level French now? I am gobsmacked! What on earth do they do for 2 years then?

Milliways, sounds like Oxford hasn't changed.... I went to an open day there about 25 years ago, and asked the French tutor if there were any options to study more language rather than literature. "What is the point of learning the language," she replied, "if not to study the literature?" (I didn't apply there ).

Divawithattitude · 24/03/2010 22:31

My son is in the second year of a Modern Foreign LAngs degree at Nottingham, turned down Oxford because of the 30% plus compulsory literature content. He is doing three languages but the choices of modules include history, literature, media, contemporary culture, linguistics as well as the language modules.

I would look very carefully at the optins and modules that are offered and the amount of choice too. His shortlist apart fom Oxford was Southampton, Liverpool and Nottingham.

Divawithattitude · 24/03/2010 22:31

My son is in the second year of a Modern Foreign LAngs degree at Nottingham, turned down Oxford because of the 30% plus compulsory literature content. He is doing three languages but the choices of modules include history, literature, media, contemporary culture, linguistics as well as the language modules.

I would look very carefully at the optins and modules that are offered and the amount of choice too. His shortlist apart fom Oxford was Southampton, Liverpool and Nottingham.

Divawithattitude · 24/03/2010 22:32

Woops sorry!

TotallyUnheardOf · 26/03/2010 22:38

StayingZen... I think your dd needs to assess her interests and to think aboutwhat would interest her in a course. She shouldn't write off literature just because she hasn't done it at A'level. Most students coming into universities nowadays are in the same boat, which means that courses are geared towards that (maybe not in Oxford... but, you know... out here in the real world!). That is certainly the case in all the places I have taught and examined (I teach modern languages, though not French, in a Russell Group institution and have experience of many institutions all over the UK...).

Moreover, the choice nowadays (again, Oxford excepted!) is not just between language and literature. Most courses worth their salt will include things like politics, history, linguistics, media studies, cinema, etc etc etc as well as literature. So, doing a French degree, it should be possible to get a really broad understanding of the culture and language of France. But equally it should be possible to specialise in, say, language studies (some places also have modules in language teaching, which is interesting), or modern cultural studies, or whatever.

The places which focus particularly on language (with more credits for that as opposed to the cultural elements - whatever they may be) tend to be (generalising wildly here) post-92 institutions, so possibly less prestigious, but they may provide just what your dd is looking for in terms of a focus on language, so don't write them off.

I hope this is helpful. I am about to turn computer off for a few days as I am decorating, but if your dd has specific questions, I'll come back to this thread and try to answer them if I can. Good luck to her.

eatyourveg · 30/03/2010 07:42

at my 6th form many moons ago the french literature A level was only for those who had A in the O level. those with a B or a C had to do the language option. I have no doubt that it is very different now.

Lilymaid · 01/04/2010 16:29

I'm not sure whether this course at Nottingham is the one Diva's son is doing, but DS1's house mate did it and it is the sort of course I would have loved to have done, but which didn't exist when I was a student.I'm sure that other universities offer similar types of course.

Divawithattitude · 03/04/2010 12:05

Yes, that is his course and he loves it, a really good mixture of language and other subjects but he will come ouot of it hopefully with three fluent languages.

He has jut heard he has a place for his year abroad in Argentina!!

toadstool · 23/04/2010 22:41

Tell your DD that most degree-level uni French courses will structure their first year as an introduction to a variety of approaches to French studies - she should be able to study an introduction to historical and political topics, as well as an intro to cinema and/or literature (the two go together in a lot of courses), perhaps linguistics, etc. Also this isn't new - it was becoming standard in the mid-1990s for unis to have to teach an intro to literature, so younger lecturers will have gone through the same system. Most potential students at open days say they want to avoid literature because they often don't know what it is yet - when your DD goes to open days, she can ask straight questions about this issue, we're used to answering them... I wish her all the best with her choices!

sandripples · 05/05/2010 17:33

A few uni's do put a big emphasis on language eg look at Herriot Watt in Edinburgh or Bath.

Some offer a broad cultural studies approach eg look at UCL.

Many others offer a varied first year as others have suggested above.

Your DD needs to think about what she really enjoys - eg does she enjoy reading literature in English? If so she'd probably enjoy it in French too. Would she the chance to do a new language from scratch? Lots of uni's would offer that.

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