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A level results disaster

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LadySadMum · Yesterday 14:15

DS was predicted CDD which was low and based on not doing much work in year 12. However he really started working much better in year 13 and seemed to be getting better marks in his results for mocks and class tests.

So we were hopeful that he would get better than the predicted grades. He seemed happy after each exam, completed all the questions. There were a few questions that he said were hard but this is normal, right?

Anyway he got CEU. Obviously he missed his firm and insurance but it’s not even enough for any foundation courses.

The C is fine and the E was in his worst subject so can understand that. But the U is unexpected and I feel it can’t be right as he wasn’t that bad at it!

We’ve asked for a review to make sure all the questions were marked correctly and if it changes to an E that would get him onto a foundation degree. We made a mistake as we didn’t ask for it at the time (we were shocked and didnt think to ask) and by the time we contacted the school again they had left.

The exam officer is not available until next Wednesday now so it’s an agonising wait.

The worst thing is we’ve had to lie to everyone that everything is OK and he’s been accepted into uni. His grandad is ill and would be devastated if we said he failed. We also don’t want to navigate all their questions and worries until we’ve worked out the next steps ourselves.

So now we’re getting congratulation messages from all the family and his uncle is also visiting later today, probably with a present. It’s all so so awful.

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Another2Cats · Yesterday 18:35

concertinacornflake · Yesterday 18:26

It depends more on the subject than the grade achieved.

So computer science at low entry grades would compare favourably against History of Art at any level.

Also though, a human life can't be entirely measured in £££.

If a lifetime's earnings/outgoings balance sheet were £10,000 worse due to being a nurse rather than something that didn't need a degree - is that all that matters?

"If a lifetime's earnings/outgoings balance sheet were £10,000 worse due to being a nurse rather than something that didn't need a degree - is that all that matters?"

A nursing degree only became mandatory in 2013.

Frankly, I think changing nursing to being a graduate only entry was a big mistake. I also think that it is totally ridiculous that student nurses are charged tuition fees.

[EDIT]

Given the way AI is going, I'm not too sure that a computer science degree will be worth too much in the future. History of Art may come back into its own.

viques · Yesterday 18:36

LadySadMum · Yesterday 16:54

People are concentrating on the lying, I’ve already explained this. If he does get into a foundation course at the same university he wanted, we can explain what happened maybe next year as it won’t matter at that point.
Or he will do OU and still get a degree - no one will know where he’s doing it.
Or he does something else and we say he’s chosen that instead.

As explained, this was done to take the pressure off him while we work out the next steps.

But all those options involve fudging the truth. He didn’t work, he didn’t get the grades. He needs to own this, it will be the making of him by behaving like an adult and taking responsibility for his results.

I think he needs to spend the rest of the weekend deciding what he really wants to do.

Buckle down , resit even if he isn’t happy with the subjects, defer for a year.

Decide University isn’t for him and think about the alternatives eg apprenticeship.

Whatever he decides you need to stop the lying and the half truths. so what if he is the subject of family gossip for a week or two, there will be another family crisis along soon for them to stick their noses into. And the truth about his results will come out sometime in the future which will be even more for the clattermouths to get chatting about.

AelinAG · Yesterday 18:36

can you look at Foundation degrees, HNDs, HNCs? He could ultimately top up to a degree.

AelinAG · Yesterday 18:37

Sorry I should say, they’d be delivered at a local FE college

RapunzelHadExtensions · Yesterday 18:37

Fatsnowflake · Yesterday 14:17

I will join you. DD was predicted 4 A* and got an Oxford offer. She got AABB. She's got into York but she's obviously very upset. We have gone up 3 marks on two Politics papers after a remark which leaves her 1 mark off an A so I've put the third paper in for a review as well.

Jesus christ. What a way to shoe horn your stealth boast into a completley different and gutting situation for OP. Read the room!

Bringemout · Yesterday 18:38

Honestly maybe university just isn’t for him, if mine were given those predicted grades I’d have been thinking about a non university route anyway. I would look at some apprenticeship and look at what the options are.

Jenpen31 · Yesterday 18:42

You shouldn't have told lies. You make yourself look silly.
He didnt do aswell as expected, which happens sometimes!
There is more to life than uni. It doesn't define you as a person.
An old friend of mine son got a trade instead and he is earning a fortune now!!!!!!!

SleeplessRoads · Yesterday 18:43

LadySadMum · Yesterday 14:34

I know what people are saying about lying, however we had to make a quick decision as to what to say. After we’ve worked out what to do we can then say he’s deferring or decided to work or whatever.

If the U does change to an E then he will get onto the foundation course which will be fine.

Or my DH has suggested the Open University which DS is happy to consider.

It’s the waiting for the review which is torturous as then we will know where we properly stand.

But will it be fine? Is someone who had to work at it to get an E and a U really going to succeed at university? And is that a gamble you’re willing to stake the best part of £50k on?

concertinacornflake · Yesterday 18:44

SleeplessRoads · Yesterday 18:43

But will it be fine? Is someone who had to work at it to get an E and a U really going to succeed at university? And is that a gamble you’re willing to stake the best part of £50k on?

Some people do well on university courses that are not exam based.

SleeplessRoads · Yesterday 18:47

concertinacornflake · Yesterday 18:44

Some people do well on university courses that are not exam based.

They might. Would you be willing to gamble almost £50k that they will?

Many people do well without a degree.

TRS20 · Yesterday 18:48

This happened to a friend of mine. They re-sat one A level and did 2 completely new ones. Got 3 As and went to RG uni. Worked their butt off. Only you know if your child is academically able to do well at A levels and uni. All might not be lost

Herenowatbroad · Yesterday 18:48

concertinacornflake · Yesterday 18:44

Some people do well on university courses that are not exam based.

And how well regraded are they??

TRS20 · Yesterday 18:49

Herenowatbroad · Yesterday 18:48

And how well regraded are they??

I think you’re being ridiculously negative. Some people mess up A levels and get great degrees

Monty36 · Yesterday 18:49

It sounds more and more as if people buy their degrees these days.
Courses that accept comparatively low points. Below 50 points, not a problem !
Give us lots of money….

And perhaps the tutors cannot bear the parents who phone up for an explanation when a bad mark is given so almost do the work for the student. Because the parent has paid after all…..

Gone are the days when students got there on merit. And had to be self sufficient. And the degree was very valued by employers at the end.

Truetoself · Yesterday 18:50

@SleeplessRoadsnot being unkind - he may never pay it back. Although he may be a very capable person who is not necessarily academic or do well in exams

SleeplessRoads · Yesterday 18:51

Truetoself · Yesterday 18:50

@SleeplessRoadsnot being unkind - he may never pay it back. Although he may be a very capable person who is not necessarily academic or do well in exams

So you’d gamble the money provided it was someone else’s?

No, he might not pay it back - but that doesn’t mean someone else should pick up the bill.

Ansjovis · Yesterday 18:54

Does he think he would he make different subject choices if he went back and started afresh? Because I didn't go to university until I was 21 and ultimately I have been successful in my career and my late start doesn't even register with anyone. If he's 18 he could afford to do this and go to uni at 20 and still be a year ahead of where I was. If his work ethic has improved recently then I think it's worth a shot if he's at all interested.

But definitely the message I want to give here is that all is not lost for those who don't go on to higher education at 18.

independentfriend · Yesterday 18:57

It's not really anybody else's business what your son does so concealing the position with difficult relatives seems wise.

There are employers who will look at A level grades even once someone has a degree. If you have a sixth form / FE College handy it's worth him considering taking an A level or two in different subjects over a year and combining the course with part time work so it can be sold to relatives as a gap year / broadening his knowledge before starting a degree.

It's definitely worth looking at the scripts for signs of dyslexia - in intelligent people it can come out in stressful situations even if it doesn't normally look like a problem. The personal organisational demands of uni study are harder so you want to catch dyslexia and other difficulties now so he can apply for DSA and have the university put support in place.

OU study + work is definitely a good route and may help him around employers looking at A level results later.

clarrylove · Yesterday 18:59

My son is studying Cyber Security at University of Gloucestershire a s doing really well. Had not too dissimilar grades. Please ring their clearing line, they are also offering a 5k accommodation package. They will do what they can to help.

MrsKeats · Yesterday 19:01

LadySadMum · Yesterday 15:31

Yes there are some but they are not close to us (North West).

He wanted to commute to save costs and a foundation year will already add on costs so we certainly do not want to add on more

Wrexham is rated the bottom of all the universities.
That is not a good plan.
I am shocked you lied to people. Never heard the like.

Pigginbeautiful · Yesterday 19:02

If he’s prepared to do the work, he could resit them. Maybe get a tutor.

If he’s lost interest in education, maybe a degree isn’t the best use of his time and money. Have you / he considered an Apprentice. He may be better learning on the job, enjoy earning money and studying a minimum amount of time.

dizzydizzydizzy · Yesterday 19:04

Another2Cats · Yesterday 18:22

"On average, Graduates earn more over the course of their lifespan"

"Financially it is worth it, despite the awful debt."

Twenty years ago it was still largely worth it - although, even then, nowhere near the same sort of graduate premium that there was thirty or forty years ago.

Do you have any evidence at all that current students with CE at A Level are going to get onto a university course that will provide them with any sort of 'graduate premium'?

Generally speaking, the landscape for graduates has changed drastically from what it was like when any parent here was a student.

Yes, of course, there will always be those graduates that get great jobs straight out of university and go on to do very well indeed. But with the huge increase in the number of graduates, competition for these roles has increased enormously and only a very few graduates secure these sort of roles.

Some examples, Aldi have a graduate scheme where new graduates start at £52,000 per year and will be on £98,000 after eight years (plus company car etc).

The very top legal firms ('Magic Circle') are typically offering £55,000 per year to new graduates and upwards of £150,000 after three years.

Large investment banks in London (such as JP Morgan etc) have starting graduate salaries between £50k and £80k depending on the role.

There is also a middle ground, there are many employers that have graduate programmes that start at around £30k - £35k. But, once again, due to the much higher number of graduates nowadays than there used to be, these are also roles for which recruitment is highly competitive.

However, in contrast, many other graduates spend years in very basic jobs that they could have done on leaving school at 18.

So, yes there is still very much a 'graduate premium' for those graduates that manage to obtain genuine graduate level jobs. In contrast, for the majority of graduates that are not able to secure that sort of job then there is currently very little, if any at all, 'graduate premium' attached to having a degree.

https://www.universitiesuk.ac.uk/latest/insights-and-analysis/graduate-outcomes-what-latest-data

Here you go!

Here is an interesting quote:

“Among young adults (ages 21–30), graduate and postgraduate employment rates are above 86%, while non-graduate employment has declined. Unemployment rates have consistently been lower for graduates and postgraduates compared to non-graduates, even during economic downturns such as the 2008–2009 financial crisis and the 2020 pandemic. In 2024, the unemployment rate for graduates (5.5%) and postgraduates (3.5%) remains well below that of non-graduates (8.1%), underscoring the employment advantage conferred by higher education.”

Herenowatbroad · Yesterday 19:05

TRS20 · Yesterday 18:49

I think you’re being ridiculously negative. Some people mess up A levels and get great degrees

Did you read the post to which I was responding to (before you stormed in with size works)

TheSquareMile · Yesterday 19:07

LadySadMum · Yesterday 15:06

I absolutely agree uni is not the only route. We’re also having a look at apprenticeships.

He’s interested in IT particularly cybersecurity. His C was in Computer Science.

He is keen on doing a degree and I think he would be good at it as he will be able to immerse himself in his chosen area.

Looking for a job/apprenticeship is a minefield too. Many adverts don’t even seem to be genuine, they sound good and then say this is ‘self-funded’ and you’ll get a job at the end…

@LadySadMum

Would this interest him, OP?

https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/careers/professions/cyber

ChristmasCwtch · Yesterday 19:11

It’s a terrible idea to saddle a young adult who isn’t academic with a load of uni debt! All thanks to Tony Blair and pushing university for all and sundry.

A PP posted that employers don’t care about grades, university, subject. They absolutely do. Competition is enormous. We had 1200 applications within three days for two grad places this year. Next year, we’re not taking interns or grads. It’s too much effort.

He should focus on an apprenticeship or something practical.