UCAS dual offer - do you get a choice between lower offer and insurance on results day?

[Triple3Trouble]

DS received a dual offer for one of his courses. We understand what this, but what we don’t understand is whether he has to accept/whether it’s automatically given without considering the insurance, the lower offer on results day if it’s put as firm for the standard offer.

University A has given a dual offer.
ABB for entry to Y1 or CCC for foundation year.

University B has given an offer of BBC.

University A is the preferred uni and course but he would rather go to uni B if he doesn’t meet the standard offer as he doesn’t want to do a foundation year at uni A.

If he puts A as firm, then missed the grades and say got BBC (the results needed for uni B), would he be able to go to uni B (because it’s his insurance) or would he have to go to uni A and do foundation year because that uni was accepted as firm (although for the standard offer and not for the foundation year, but there doesn’t seem to be a way to decline the foundation year without declining the standard offer).

Googling, UCAS and uni websites are all unclear on this.

From uni A website:
“Dual Offers: Standard offers which include a reserved place on an extended degree with foundation year for applicants who do not meet their standard degree offer.”

Your offer is for the higher level course, your insurance is for the second university, the dual offer is an internal offer not UCAS at least that was the case 3 years ago

I’m not sure how much help this will be to you but my DS got a dual offer last year. He needed A+A+A for 2nd year entry and ABB for 1st year entry. In the end he put a uni that offered A+AA for 2nd year entry as firm and insured the dual offer uni. He ended up with A+AB on results day. The firm uni rejected but the insurance uni which gave the dual offer accepted him for 1st year entry so they do honour their dual offers. However, I’m afraid I don’t know the answer to your specific question.

I think I understand. The standard offers are the ones that UCAS care about. The dual offer from uni A, only uni A cares about this. Ok. Making sense.

What doesn’t make sense is - does the uni A standard offer, if not met, mean uni A will reject and the insurance from uni B will be offered?
Or will uni A say that he has a place on their foundation year course and therefore uni B won’t be offered?

I think if the first case offer is missed, uni A will consider for their foundation. Only if they decide no to both does it pass to insurance uni B. If she would prefer the course at uni B to foundation at uni A she needs to say so. Otherwise there is a risk on results day that uni A confirms the foundation place and uni B fills their places before she can ask.

Would this be a situation where this message would be seen?

https://www.ucas.com/applying/after-you-apply/clearing-and-results-day/results-day/what-your-application-status-means

If so, then it would be possible to turn down the alternative course at the firm, and still get the insurance place (assuming the conditions for that offer were met)?

Ohhh I’m not sure. It’s just whether this is referring to courses offered after results day or courses offered before as part of the original offer. I suppose if what @mamagogo1 said about only the standard offer being of interest to UCAS, then possibly.

But this looks promising and certainly helpful information. Thanks for the link/screenshot.

I think we have a case of needing to contact uni admissions to confirm this/ask what would happen.