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International relations + MFL. Ideas about where please

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Sanddancing · 27/09/2025 16:49

So it has taken a while but year 13 DS has decided they would like to do an international relations degree, with French and would like to learn Arabic from scratch.

Recent decision so trying to get to grips with options for Univerisites.
So far looked at St Andrews and Durham but DS keen to look at options in bigger or livelier places.
Ds is looking A star, A A and taking English lit, history and French . He has completed an EPQ based on human rights legislation, speaks fluent Spanish and has GCSE Spanish, French and German at grade 9.
Grateful for any help and thoughts

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user927464 · 06/10/2025 14:55

No degree guarantees a job so thats an odd point to make.

Lots of employers value IR as a degree. In particular the foreign office.

Dery · 06/10/2025 22:29

@user927464 - is it new for Lancaster to offer Arabic, do you know? Perhaps i just missed it when i was researching for DDs…. The MFL courses at Lancaster do look very interesting.

ealingwestmum · 06/10/2025 23:49

I believe Arabic is available only at Beginners level @Dery at Lancaster, a student wouldn’t be able to advance beyond A2 over 2 semesters.

I remember looking with DD in 2021, I don’t think it’s changed in the sense that it was never offered as a core language at UG.

OhDear111 · 07/10/2025 01:36

@user927464 The FO doesn’t as they recruit a lot from Oxbridge. Always have. They value languages.

Dery · 07/10/2025 07:08

@ealingwestmum - thanks for explaining!

MarchingFrogs · 07/10/2025 07:49

IR not taught at Oxbridge (therefore there's no value in studying it anywhere)?
Hmm...

https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/courses/human-social-political-sciences-ba-hons

It was actually the subject of the Humanities sample lecture at the 'Subject Matters' afternoon I attended with DS2 back when he was in year 10 (8 years ago , so even if it was a new addition to the university's offer then - it wasn't - it has endured through two full undergraduate cycles).

International relations + MFL. Ideas about where please
user927464 · 07/10/2025 09:06

Dery · 06/10/2025 22:29

@user927464 - is it new for Lancaster to offer Arabic, do you know? Perhaps i just missed it when i was researching for DDs…. The MFL courses at Lancaster do look very interesting.

Edited

It isn't new but its done as an MFL package where you study a core language and another (or others)

user927464 · 07/10/2025 09:09

OhDear111 · 07/10/2025 01:36

@user927464 The FO doesn’t as they recruit a lot from Oxbridge. Always have. They value languages.

Honestly what a load of old bollocks. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

The foreign office absolutely values International relations/politics/modern history/law degrees. Languages are useful in some roles but you are moved around frequently and nobody speaks every language.

Dery · 07/10/2025 10:37

@user927464 - thanks to you and @ealingwestmum for explaining!

ealingwestmum · 07/10/2025 12:22

Some interesting view points on this thread, but predictable I guess for those who've been around a while.

Very best of luck to your DS @Sanddancing with his decision making. There's some similarly academic YP on these language combination threads who have progressed with Arabic in their programmes and great information from posters already received on their experiences.

I don't know anything about IR, so I hope you find the right combination that works for him. We considered a number of factors, that included not only access to the year abroad but what exactly was on offer. Having no Arab connectivity ourselves, DD wanted to ensure that both her subjects were able to be studied for the year, her A level Spanish already being at high fluency level.Those that took a French/Arabic combo did not have access to Arabic during their split year in France, and as a consequence, many have now dropped Arabic in their returning 4th year, whereas mine had her 2nd semester delivered totally in Spanish, including her Arabic lessons (not so easy for someone who is British!) and has continued both in Y4. But, there is early term confusion with programme delivery, given that some went to Morocco, others to Egypt. Previously, Beirut would have also been on the access list, so the teaching back at DD's university for the returners is toggling between all, not ideal, but it is what it is and will hopefully improve as the final year progresses.

For some like mentioned on here, dialect and version of Arabic will be important, and having a university that thinks and communicates this well to their prospective students is important. My personal opinion is that Exeter has the most joined up approach to their programme options, with Edinburgh delivering well too. But this is anecdotal. DD is learning Egyptian and MSA, and says it's getting easier to converse across the others now.

Work backwards on the level of Arabic your DS wants to achieve. Is it to intellectually stretch him during UG study due to having an innate ability to pick up languages (I get this, DD did similar GCSE Mandarin, French and Spanish), does he want the option to use it professionally, develop deeper regional understanding culturally/politically/economically etc - all areas to probe each university option more on modules available to meet his individual needs.

My final personal feedback as he is clearly very bright and able, is that he should find similar students around him, given that it's not the easiest option in the first place. It's been a wonderful learning experience for mine, such a fascinating programme of study with a great cohort of likeminded students, home and abroad with similar outlooks to life.

WaitingforPoodles · 07/10/2025 14:04

user927464 · 07/10/2025 09:09

Honestly what a load of old bollocks. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

The foreign office absolutely values International relations/politics/modern history/law degrees. Languages are useful in some roles but you are moved around frequently and nobody speaks every language.

You realize that Ohdear111 is just TizerorFizz with a new username. Cranking out her usual tired and inaccurate statements.

user927464 · 07/10/2025 21:04

WaitingforPoodles · 07/10/2025 14:04

You realize that Ohdear111 is just TizerorFizz with a new username. Cranking out her usual tired and inaccurate statements.

Ah - that makes sense.

user1494050295 · 07/10/2025 21:10

Sanddancing · 27/09/2025 17:31

DS not sure about London so hasn’t looked but has mentioned UCL. We are familiar with London ( we are based in “the North”).

They kind of refused to look at Oxbridge when school offered support ( partly because they didn’t know what they wanted to do), so feels they have missed this window. Not looked at either place though

He could do IR at LSE with a language certificate in Arabic which sits outside of the degree

HPFA · 08/10/2025 07:27

WaitingforPoodles · 07/10/2025 14:04

You realize that Ohdear111 is just TizerorFizz with a new username. Cranking out her usual tired and inaccurate statements.

Thanks for the tip.

As a parent with a DD doing French and IR at a (oh, the horrors!!) non RG Uni I'll know to keep my head down.....

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