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Art a-level/foundation…followed by medicine?! Is this crazy?

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Flockchaise · 19/07/2025 10:39

DD a while off having to make decisions, but with an older sibling off to uni in the autumn, she loves to talk and think about it 😂

She is currently set on studying medicine, and has been for several years. She is very academic but also loves art - wins prizes at school blah blah. Two questions-

Dd plans to do biology, chemistry, history and art a-levels. Her school always starts them on four. Might the art a-level work against her? Aware unis usually offer on three - but with medicine being so competitive, surely she’ll be up against candidates with 3 sciences plus maths or whatever? Her sibling has an Oxbridge offer - also does art a-level, and their offer excluded it! 🤪

She is quite keen on doing an art foundation before she starts her medicine degree. Would this be nuts? We are in London so she could live at home…

Totally aware things might change before lots of people tell me this is all premature thinking! But just mulling at this point and thought it would be useful to get thoughts x

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Muu9 · 31/07/2025 10:10

If I had to drop an A level, I would drop history. If art was looked down on the way general studies and critical thinking are, it would be mentioned.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 31/07/2025 10:41

Flockchaise · 19/07/2025 13:15

Thanks all. To be honest, am not that worried re four a-levels, particularly if art is one of them and she could drop it. Her older sibling did four - including art - didn’t struggle with workload. Not meaning to stealth boast and dd might be different of course, but this is just our experience so far…

A fair few kids at the same school did four and got offers for medicine. More interested if art as a fourth works against her as it is seen as less academic…

Also wondering about doing art foundation in a gap year. A friend’s dd has a deferred offer for medicine this year - but I’m wondering if this is quite unusual, particularly if one is using the year for something so unrelated?

I used to teach art.

We had lots go on to study medicine. Edinburgh loved it. They said ‘breadth of study’

Also, if you want to study dentistry it’s very helpful. It shows the ability to manipulate with fine motor skills. Useful for surgery too.

N0Tfunny · 31/07/2025 10:45

We were also told that dentistry look favourably on music and art as the 3rd A level. It’s about fine motor skills, creativity and also useful as a way of handling stress in a constrictive way ( like sport). Playing in an orchestra or ensemble or playing in a team requires people skills.

Needmoresleep · 31/07/2025 11:36

DD was very grateful that one of her medical school peers had taken Art A level and so could sort out the presentations they needed for a major group project.

I personally think that breadth is a good thing in an increasingly uncertain world. DD took five A levels (electronics and physics as extras - the first like art was useful because it was hands on and practical) as well as high level sport (National championships as well as regional and county representation), had a school leadership position, and spent part of her gap year interning in a cookery school.

She loves medicine and is good at it. But she is one of the over 50% of doctors finishing her second foundation year who is unemployed in a week's time. (Blame Boris for relaxing the Resident Market Labour Test which means that doctors already in the UK are having to compete with applicants from all over the world for entry level jobs, and inevitably some can offer the experience that doctors starting out don't have. Elsewhere, like Australia, overseas applicants are only eligible for jobs that cannot be filled locally.)

Those extra two A levels may yet come into play. They allowed her to spend an intercalation year studying engineering at Imperial. This week she is busy signing up with NHS Bank and hope there is enough zero hours work to cover her mortgage (she had really wanted to pursue her career in a traditionally hard to recruit area), living costs, petrol, and professional indemnity insurance.

(She is lucky in that a consultant she vaguely knew and who she bumped into in a corridor has said he can offer her as many shifts as she wants. Budget for short term locum work is being cut and because of the over supply of unemployed doctors, hourly rates are falling. Others in her position will have to supplement a handful of shifts each month with other zero hours work outside medicine.)

In parallel she is applying to Australia and has an interview next week. Five A levels on her CV will have done her no harm as is demonstrates that she can handle a busy workload.

Many UK educated doctors in Australia, are finding themselves stuck in entry level jobs. Australia prioritises Australian residents for speciality training, so access can be limited until you get Australian residency. At the same time the huge international competition for entry level jobs in the UK and the growing pool of unemployed doctors means that it is hard to find a job back home.

If Australia or the likely career plateau do not suit, DD will switch careers to engineering. She is told that an Imperial degree and a good background in hands on medicine will be an attractive offer.

In short medicine is not the secure career people assume it is, and the wider the skill set you have, the better. Some background in art would lend itself to medical publishing, the creation of educational resources, or marketing. Four A levels demonstrates you can handle a heavier workload and that you have interests beyond a narrow medical focus. The NHS is a monopsonistic employer and much of the decision making seems either short term or political. As much as a young person might want to work in public medicine, there is no guarantee that the NHS wants them.

The BMA seems to have belatedly caught onto unemployment as an issue. It was only a few months ago that a committee seeking more priority for UK resident doctors when training places are allocated (over 50% of places this year went to doctors who graduated from overseas medical schools) were labelled racist and told to apologise.

www.bma.org.uk/bma-media-centre/bma-seeks-deal-on-doctor-unemployment-as-survey-reveals-half-of-resident-doctors-finishing-foundation-training-have-no-job-to-go-to-next-month

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 31/07/2025 11:42

If she needs to scratch that art itch which I completely understand has she heard of the Saturday Club. https://saturday-club.org/subject/art-design/

I can’t rate them highly enough. Dd went for about 4 years and had the time of her life. Loads of exploration of different types of art, some amazing trips including an all expenses paid trip to China for a few weeks.

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Groundbreaking · 31/07/2025 12:07

I did chemistry, biology, maths, and art - all of them at AS and then A level. My offers for med school didn’t exclude the art at all. Art was a LOT of work and took up way more time than everything else, everyone else doing it was going on to study art in some way, and looking back life would’ve been much easier if I had dropped it. I was glad I didn’t because, yes, it was so much work, but it was also a much needed break and change of pace from all the science and maths.

Hols23 · 31/07/2025 16:19

Muu9 · 31/07/2025 10:07

Why is FM listed here? Anyone doing FM would also be doing maths, so they would still meet the requirement even if FM wasn't listed

I know someone who got a higher grade in Further Maths (A) than Maths (B). In which case you'd be glad Further Maths was included!

DoggerelBank · 05/08/2025 14:14

We have a family friend who did 4 A levels inc Art. Got good grades in everything except Chemistry, which was the key one needed to take up her offer to study medicine. She had to take a different path, which I don't think she regrets particularly, but doing a time-consuming A level like Art is definitely a risk. But I suppose if she can drop it after a year if her other grades aren't looking safe, I guess it's not a disaster. I don't think the fact of doing it will in itself reflect badly on her. Breadth seems to be seen as a good thing if the grades in the science subjects are solid.
Art foundation isn't crazy in my view. If she applies for deferred places and gets them, I don't think there'll be any follow-up on what she has done in her year off. Might need to have a more medic-related year off plan up her sleeve to talk about in interviews, though - but what she actually does won't be an issue, I think.

Tubatuber · 05/08/2025 15:50

I know it’s a little different. My daughter is a vet and one of her friends did art A level. She did struggle with the workload, but did get offers and several years down the line has qualified. DD did English as her 3rd A level and got offers at all 4 she applied to.

I would not bother with the Art Foundation though. DD2 did it prior to her degree and found it a waste of time. I lot of foreign students to rack in the cash for UAL with very poor teaching.

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