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Apprenticeship Withdrawn

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Perplexed20 · 10/07/2025 07:13

Not sure why I'm writing apart from maybe to vent.
Ds applied for a degree apprenticeship with the civil service. Tests and interview in April. He applied with A level results in hand. A*AA (requirement is CCC).They took until the end of June to let people know. He was told successful and then yesterday they withdrew his offer and put him on the reserves list (dept he was allocated now not doing). He does have a uni offer but in a different subject he's now not sure about.
Anyone had experience of this? Any advice. He's pretty upset and want to support him in making the right decision for him.

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Flyswats · 10/07/2025 20:31

GinandGingerBeer · 10/07/2025 18:40

I’m a civil servant and also have a son who went to Warwick. If he is privately educated he’ll do ok at Warwick. If not, as he’s been in work too he might struggle. My son did. Students pretty much treated it as an extension of boarding school. There’s bugger all around it and leamington spa is a bit of a shit hole if your son is used to a city. My son absolutely hated it. But he was state educated and lived in a city. I’m sure many do get on with it who aren’t privately educated but my DS has very left field views! Hated the privilege and lack of awareness.
re the apprenticeship I’d get him to call and ask where on the reserve list he is. He has his grades in hand, not all of them will.

OP I would take this post with a major pinch of salt. Warwick is fast becoming one of the most prestigious universities in the UK. When my son applied in this last round, they wanted more from him than any other university, to study History.

littlequestion · 10/07/2025 21:49

GinandGingerBeer · 10/07/2025 18:40

I’m a civil servant and also have a son who went to Warwick. If he is privately educated he’ll do ok at Warwick. If not, as he’s been in work too he might struggle. My son did. Students pretty much treated it as an extension of boarding school. There’s bugger all around it and leamington spa is a bit of a shit hole if your son is used to a city. My son absolutely hated it. But he was state educated and lived in a city. I’m sure many do get on with it who aren’t privately educated but my DS has very left field views! Hated the privilege and lack of awareness.
re the apprenticeship I’d get him to call and ask where on the reserve list he is. He has his grades in hand, not all of them will.

This is not my state educated dc’s experience at all.

Pinkissmart · 10/07/2025 22:18

Sunshineandgrapefruit · 10/07/2025 07:36

Call them op. Civil service will be very happy to speak to parents (and in fact would welcome it) and can hopefully put your mind at ease.

Or, OP's child can do it.

I would hang in there. There may be many who don't get the grades needed on results day.

Perplexed20 · 10/07/2025 22:23

Im not doing anything on his behalf. Part of talking to you lovely people is so I can help him think of options, but only he can decide what's right for him.

I've been out tonight and he's been chatting to dh and has decided that he can't worry about what's not in his control.

Thank you so much and any further thoughts gratefully received.

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Tronkmanton · 10/07/2025 22:37

If it’s any consolation at all my DS had a slightly similar situation and as with most disappointments in life it actually turned out to be positive. My DS had an excellent degree apprenticeship lined up, in fact he was offered two, both very competitive for places. He had spent a long time doing all the interviews, tests etc and did brilliantly getting a place. However, he then didn’t do much work for his A levels and didn’t get the required grades…so they withdrew his offer. We were all very disappointed at the time. A level results day was v tricky as he was offered a place at Newcastle uni and to cut a long story short we pushed him to accept as at the time it seemed the best option. I was v worried as I don’t believe in pushing them down a certain path as it can come back to bite you. BUT in fact it has worked out brilliantly, and he’s an absolutely brilliant time at uni, and it’s been absolutely the right thing. I truly believe that he wasn’t ready for a degree apprenticeship. Whilst it’s a massive cost saving, it is definitely not an easy option, a proper job alongside a degree without the cohort of potential friends.
I would support your son in either going to Warwick, or a different uni/course. Things happen for a reason and he may have dodged a bullet.

SoilTiller · 11/07/2025 06:42

One of my DC was informed in writing they'd been successful in getting a place on the civil service Fast Stream and then a few weeks later the place was withdrawn because they'd had more successful applicants than they had places for and so they raised the cut off score.
Edited to add that this was several years ago.

Itsthe1st · 11/07/2025 06:43

Perplexed20 · 10/07/2025 18:23

He is working in the NHS. The contract is only for 1 year though and no funding for another.

A 17 year old got a job working for the NhS? What as?

wigywhoo · 11/07/2025 06:53

Perplexed20 · 10/07/2025 07:49

Department is no longer doing it this year.

It will be spending review cuts. New Government fucking everything up. So sorry.

Hols23 · 11/07/2025 07:00

Itsthe1st · 11/07/2025 06:43

A 17 year old got a job working for the NhS? What as?

He's 18/19 - he's on a gap year and took A-levels a year ago

Flyswats · 11/07/2025 07:04

Itsthe1st · 11/07/2025 06:43

A 17 year old got a job working for the NhS? What as?

The thread is not particularly long, shorter if you only read the OP's posts. All the information you need to avoid you asking a silly question, is here.

Itsthe1st · 11/07/2025 08:15

Flyswats · 11/07/2025 07:04

The thread is not particularly long, shorter if you only read the OP's posts. All the information you need to avoid you asking a silly question, is here.

How is this question wrong?

the op has said he has working for the nhs for the past year and contract is due to end

he is 18

therefore he got the job at 17

enlighten me?

Itsthe1st · 11/07/2025 08:16

To quote the op

He is working in the NHS. The contract is only for 1 year though and no funding for another.

Itsthe1st · 11/07/2025 08:26

GinandGingerBeer · 10/07/2025 18:40

I’m a civil servant and also have a son who went to Warwick. If he is privately educated he’ll do ok at Warwick. If not, as he’s been in work too he might struggle. My son did. Students pretty much treated it as an extension of boarding school. There’s bugger all around it and leamington spa is a bit of a shit hole if your son is used to a city. My son absolutely hated it. But he was state educated and lived in a city. I’m sure many do get on with it who aren’t privately educated but my DS has very left field views! Hated the privilege and lack of awareness.
re the apprenticeship I’d get him to call and ask where on the reserve list he is. He has his grades in hand, not all of them will.

Nonsense

how long ago was your son at Warwick @GinandGingerBeer

by any chance… is he a big fan of Corbyn?

ViciousCurrentBun · 11/07/2025 08:27

Get him to sit tight for a bit. Do they have any kind of rollover list so even a next year start plus any sort of temp work in the meantime?

My DS has just handed in his final year dissertation after taking a degree apprenticeship, not civil service.

They are much harder to get a place on than the traditional University route plus the guaranteed job element, no student debt and a wage whilst studying is brilliant.

@Itsthe1st he may have taken his A levels early, my DH took his when he was 16, 17 shortly after as he is a late July baby and then worked for BP for a year before going to University.

Hols23 · 11/07/2025 08:30

Itsthe1st · 11/07/2025 08:16

To quote the op

He is working in the NHS. The contract is only for 1 year though and no funding for another.

OP said the contract ends in October. So presumably he was 18 when it started, last October.

I'm puzzled why this level of detail is important to you though.

Perplexed20 · 11/07/2025 08:30

To clarify. He is a summer birthday. His birthday is in the summer holidays- so is 18 but is almost a whole year younger than many of his cohort.

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Itsthe1st · 11/07/2025 08:32

Hols23 · 11/07/2025 08:30

OP said the contract ends in October. So presumably he was 18 when it started, last October.

I'm puzzled why this level of detail is important to you though.

Can you think of any job in the nhs that would employ a barely 18 year old?

Perplexed20 · 11/07/2025 08:32

Ffs: he got the job in September. Not that I'm sure any of that is relevant to this.

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Itsthe1st · 11/07/2025 08:32

Perplexed20 · 11/07/2025 08:30

To clarify. He is a summer birthday. His birthday is in the summer holidays- so is 18 but is almost a whole year younger than many of his cohort.

But what nhs contract for a year did a barely turned 18 year old get?

Itsthe1st · 11/07/2025 08:33

Perplexed20 · 11/07/2025 08:32

Ffs: he got the job in September. Not that I'm sure any of that is relevant to this.

Im curious about the nhs 1 year contract that employed a boy who had just turned 18 a few weeks previously 🤷

Perplexed20 · 11/07/2025 08:34

Itsthe1st - you must be a joy to be around. Would you like me to give you the name of the NHS trust, his job title and his manager's name so you can give them a ring?

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Itsthe1st · 11/07/2025 08:35

Perplexed20 · 11/07/2025 08:34

Itsthe1st - you must be a joy to be around. Would you like me to give you the name of the NHS trust, his job title and his manager's name so you can give them a ring?

Eek

someone who had turned 18 a few weeks previously secured a year contract with the nhs

I was simply asking the job

but… ok

Radiatorvalves · 11/07/2025 08:35

Did he try for Big 4 apprenticeships? I’ve interviewed candidates in the past and from what you say I think your DS would stand a good chance.

worstofbothworlds · 11/07/2025 08:37

Justwaits · 10/07/2025 07:50

Did they give any reason at all?

The reason will be the department is short staffed due to laying people off because we don't take enough overseas students any more to make the university viable.
I'm sorry for your DS OP but this is what happens when the people of the country start pandering to Reform who think overseas students are scroungers.

Perplexed20 · 11/07/2025 08:37

Itsthe1st - there's loads of detail on here already. If I do that it will tell you who he is so no I'm not going to and its not relevant to this thread.

What's your job? How old are you? Are you qualified for it? How do we know? Are you too young for it or are you too old for it?

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