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Computer Science jobs defunct in an age of chatGTP and AI

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jennylamb1 · 30/06/2025 07:18

Headline in The Times today and a linked article highlights the changes in IT since AI can code and do much of the other work previously needing CS graduates. Still a worthwhile degree?

Entry-level jobs plunge by a third since launch of ChatGPT

https://www.thetimes.com/article/a6c6e4b8-c469-4025-b23c-06eaba7f09a8?shareToken=5b7597c882b6b6121de00c77623b1132

Entry-level jobs plunge by a third since launch of ChatGPT

Retail, IT and accounting and finance are among the worst hit sectors since the AI tool began operating in November 2022

https://www.thetimes.com/article/a6c6e4b8-c469-4025-b23c-06eaba7f09a8?shareToken=5b7597c882b6b6121de00c77623b1132

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ErrolTheDragon · 30/06/2025 08:39

IT isn’t really the same thing as proper computer science. People who use tech vs those who create it.
I write software (I’m a scientist, not a computer scientist). AI/Machine learning and the increasing capability of hardwares are allowing us to do more than we could have dreamed of before. We’ve been hiring in our area, not reducing.

Mapletreelane · 30/06/2025 11:43

Why don't you ask AI? I asked " is a CS degree is still relevant with the advances of AI?" ( apologies for the environmental impact ) and here is it's answer. So if you believe that AI will take away so many jobs as it can do better , surely then you have to give some credence to the answer!

Absolutely! Despite the emergence of AI, a Computer Science degree remains highly relevant – in many ways, even more so. Here's why:

  • AI is a subfield of Computer Science: At its core, AI is built upon fundamental computer science principles like algorithms, data structures, programming languages, and computational theory. A strong CS foundation provides the essential knowledge to understand, build, and adapt AI systems. You can't truly innovate in AI without understanding the underlying mechanics.
  • Beyond merely using AI tools: While AI tools like code generators (e.g., GitHub Copilot, ChatGPT) can automate routine coding tasks, they don't replace the need for human expertise. Computer science graduates are needed to:
  • Understand and verify AI-generated code: AI isn't always perfect; its output needs review for correctness, efficiency, security, and readability.
  • Solve complex problems AI can't: AI excels at repetitive tasks, but humans are still crucial for creative problem-solving, strategic thinking, understanding context and intent, and tackling unique, niche challenges.
  • Design and architect systems: AI tools focus on code-level tasks, but designing scalable, efficient, and robust system architectures requires human vision and deep understanding.
  • Develop custom solutions: When an AI can't provide a solution because it's outside its training data or too specialized, a human computer scientist is needed to create it.
  • Focus on Foundational Skills: A good Computer Science program emphasizes critical thinking, problem-solving, mathematical foundations (like linear algebra and statistics), and logical reasoning. These are timeless skills that are crucial for working with and developing AI, and they are unlikely to be replicated by AI itself.
  • Adaptability and Lifelong Learning: The tech industry, especially with AI, is constantly evolving. A CS degree equips graduates with the adaptability to learn new technologies and frameworks, fostering a culture of continuous learning that is essential to stay at the forefront of technological advancements.
  • Broader Career Opportunities: A Computer Science degree opens doors to a vast array of career paths beyond just AI development, including software engineering, cybersecurity, data analysis, game development, and more. This breadth provides resilience against potential disruptions in any single technology. Many industries beyond just tech are increasingly needing CS graduates who understand AI.
  • Ethical Considerations: As AI becomes more powerful, the ethical implications of its use become more significant. Computer science education is increasingly incorporating discussions about algorithmic bias, privacy, and fairness, ensuring that graduates are not only proficient in the technology but also aware of its societal impact.
While specialized AI degrees are emerging and growing, they often build upon the core principles taught in a broader Computer Science curriculum. Many employers still seek professionals with a strong foundational CS degree, often looking for those who also have a good understanding of AI concepts and tools.

In short, a Computer Science degree doesn't become irrelevant; it evolves. The focus shifts from merely coding to understanding, designing, collaborating with, and overseeing AI systems, making the foundational knowledge and critical thinking skills gained from a CS degree more valuable than ever.

ThisTicklishFatball · 30/06/2025 16:42

I know software engineers, cybersecurity analysts, DevOps specialists, front-end and back-end developers, UI/UX designers, network engineers, games designers/developers, IT support professionals, and others who are thriving and earning high salaries. There are still countless job openings for these roles across companies of all sizes and industries.

AI like ChatGPT can be helpful, sure—but it's not replacing the entire tech workforce anytime soon. Someone still has to build, secure, maintain, and oversee all those systems. Computer Science is far from defunct. If anything, it’s evolving.

toooldforbrat · 30/06/2025 21:16

What the others said - I work in a global IT consultancy. AI is only 1 small part of IT.

we need computer systems to run , to connect, to be secure , to be maintained, tested, upgraded.

Zapx · 30/06/2025 21:24

I’m a software developer. The change in roles in the last two years in so many firms has been unbelievable to me tbh. So many companies now looking to move to low code programming now. Definitely fewer entry level jobs. “Boot camp” type courses closing down as they can’t get their students jobs. Even more senior roles are starting to look replaceable (emphasis on “starting”!).

That’s not to say that a CS degree isn’t worth doing. It’s just that I’m not sure it’s easy to predict what the industry will look like by the time they’ve completed it. The skills learned in a CS degree will always be worth something. It’s just (in my opinion) it’s not the golden ticket it was a few years ago.

Walkaround · 05/07/2025 09:39

When companies have fucked up massively by trying to cut corners using ChatGPT to do things they don’t understand, they will need actual humans who understand it to help sort out the hallucinatory mess. Also, computer science is a far broader subject than just coding, for which you don’t need a degree in any event, you can teach yourself to do it as badly as AI can do it. So of course it’s still a worthwhile degree, unless you really think AI really will be doing all the hacking, terrorism, protection against the former, creativity, engineering and systems design, developing quantum computers, etc. Once AI is doing all that, humans will only be needed to wipe each other’s bottoms and do other physical work people once dreamed robots would be doing for them, so people should really be worrying about the writing off of their own jobs before they worry about the writing off of the need for computer scientists.

poetryandwine · 05/07/2025 18:23

I came to this thread prepared to refute the Times article but PPs have done a great job.

I would add that the article says that most jobs have been lost in the retail sector, followed by the warehouse and logistics sectors. It also says that some of the jobs do not require a degree.

To me all of this sounds like CS and IT are being conflated, when as @ErrolTheDragon points out, CS is more properly thought of as a subset of IT, or rven a distinct (but closely related) domain. I am with those who believe the growth of AI means that people who understand the principles of CS will become more sought after than ever.

Not everyone getting an IT degree is in that position.

poetryandwine · 05/07/2025 18:25

PS I meant to say that the sectors where the jobs are apparently being lost are not the sectors one thinks of for graduates of CS as opposed to IT students, on the whole.

ayoosername · 06/07/2025 20:29

@jennylamb1 this was posted on another thread and shows the vast range of IT roles, some or all of which are in every medium to large company or organisation in the world: https://ddat-capability-framework.service.gov.uk/ .
Most of these roles are analytical, and will be enhanced and facilitated by AI rather than replaced by it.

Government Digital and Data Profession Capability Framework - Government Digital and Data Profession Capability Framework

https://ddat-capability-framework.service.gov.uk

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