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Accommodation cost impacting university choice - very troubling for institutions like mine

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Tulipgardens · 20/10/2024 04:54

Name changing for this and wondering whether any one has stats. My sixth form students used to put down unis like Bristol, Bath and Exeter but, over recent years, no longer. Newcastle, Sheffield and Leeds now top choices. London unis nowadays a complete no-no. It has been a marked shift...

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EwwSprouts · 20/10/2024 16:24

@SageBlossomBunny Here are some grants that are not linked to only one university (bar a couple).
www.savethestudent.org/student-finance/weird-university-bursaries-grants-scholarships.html

Investinmyself · 20/10/2024 16:29

Cdjs · 20/10/2024 16:20

Yes but it was 31 weeks only.

It’s 39 weeks even for catered now from what I can see. Most unis charge much longer rent periods than they did even a few years ago. And it’s just become the norm.

Contigo · 20/10/2024 16:38

York offers on campus accommodation for people who attend short summer schools. No idea on numbers but I know they do it.

Investinmyself · 20/10/2024 16:54

York offers 40, 44 or 50 week with only one college offered limited 38 week contracts (move out easter)
Not sure on York specifically but back in the day unis would offer catered for around 30 weeks (3 x 10 weeks) so a massive difference in weeks paid.

NamechangeRugby · 20/10/2024 16:58

Needmoresleep · 20/10/2024 10:53

This may be an increasingly real issue.

Under the previous Government thought was being given to specific "student" tenancies which would not provide the same protections as those promised to standard tenants within the new Tenancy Reform Act. Under the new Act, S21 no fault evictions will be done away with, as will fixed term tenancies. Effectively as long as tenants behave reasonably they can leave when they want (with a short notice period) and stay as long as they want. In addition the promised reform of the court system will not take place before the Act comes into force which will make it very difficult to evict bad tenants. Landlords are likely to become very risk adverse.

Student tenancies operate on an annual basis. The landlord needs to know that previous tenants will leave before he can sign a contract with tenants for the next year. Some landlords were willing to accept tenants without guarantors because either the University offered something, or because it was only a year's tenancy so the risk was limited, or via rent payment in advance. Shared properties are normally on a joint and several liability basis.

Most tenancies will be fine, but the risk to landlords will have increased. If one of the group want to move out after two months and don't find a replacement they might trigger the end of the tenancy for all, and the landlord is left mid-year with an empty property. Overseas students without a guarantor would quite often pay rent in advance, something which is due to be banned. If something happens and the students decide not to move out at the end of the year, the landlord won't be able to do anything, so will either be letting down another group, or may decide to only let the property last minute when he knows it will be empty.

Quite how it will all pan out is uncertain. The proposed Act could change as it makes it way through the Commons and the Lords. Allowing specific student tenancies would have been a way of making this group more attractive tenants, especially for people who might only want to rent a property for a year or two, and thus would have increased supply. Instead young professionals, who have a regular income, are slightly older, have references and are often out all day, become a more attractive group. The supply of private rental property is likely to continue to shrink. Great for first time buyers, but what is bad now could soon become worse for students.

I think students looking for 2025 might well see signs of increasing landlord concern. Having a good guarantor could become more important.

This is really interesting, thank you.

We'd back DS, but do people tend to split it across the whole group committing to sharing a house together? Is that acceptable to the LL? The students have to act so quickly when they actually find a place I imagine & pressure is on to do this in the first term (when they may not really know each other well). TIA.

JessyCarr · 20/10/2024 17:10

Exeter offers 32-week contracts on its catered accommodation, and has recently introduced a twin-occupancy sharing option in catered halls to bring down costs. It also has accommodation bursaries available for some halls. Its average accommodation cost has gone up because it has been building some very snazzy accommodation at the top end of the price range, but the average doesn’t tell the whole story.

Madcats · 20/10/2024 17:15

We ruled out London; primarily because of cost and the likelihood that friends would be scattered all across London. Over the years we've stayed in a few of the LSE halls (which really aren't overly flash). They are great locations if you have plenty of spending money.

I think we are leaning towards a campus; Exeter seems favourite. We are quite tempted by catered (I think that is a 32-week contract, rather than the 40-48 weeks we have seen in other halls, so although the cost per week might be higher the cost for year 1 might not be that different).

Sheffield was the second that we visited and it was a hit, but I think the hassle of getting there (took us 6 1/2 hours in torrential rain) is weighing on her mind. We have friends there and they certainly didn't seem to have issues getting accommodation.

Swansea seems to advertise itself as a cheap Uni to live at. We're signed up to look around in November.

Juja · 20/10/2024 17:23

dizzydizzydizzy · 20/10/2024 08:09

From what I hear, rent in Oxford is as much as London but you get a much bigger loan in London. DC1 recently graduated from Imperial College London. There, the students with a parental income of under £60K get a grant. DC1 got £2000 or £3000 every year from the university.

Interesting - That's not my experience

  • DC1 last year paid £6,600 for 40 weeks in Oxford - in a college flat
  • DC2 this year pays £5,075 for 29 weeks in Oxford - college room - incl bills ie term time plus an extra week
  • DN pays £9,800 for 40 weeks in London plus bills

Oxford isn't cheap on a 12 months basis but you don't have to pay in the holidays while private rentals in London are all year and halls usually at least 40 weeks.

I think Oxford Brookes where students are out in private rents may well find costs similar to London. Oxford Colleges have built lots of accommodation and most house students all three / four years and in effect subsidies it by letting it for conferences / B&B in the holidays.

Investinmyself · 20/10/2024 17:23

That’s interesting @JessyCarr Exeter introducing a more affordable option. I wonder if others will follow suit. When I was at uni there were people in 2 or 3 share rooms (houses attached to halls), I was surprised they still offered some twin shares when we visited recently.

FianoMis · 20/10/2024 17:33

I'm not sure if it is still possible post Brexit but a local grammar school strongly recommended The Netherlands Maastricht, Leiden etc.) as a cost effective option. Taught in English, very quick flight from the UK.

dizzydizzydizzy · 20/10/2024 17:44

Juja · 20/10/2024 17:23

Interesting - That's not my experience

  • DC1 last year paid £6,600 for 40 weeks in Oxford - in a college flat
  • DC2 this year pays £5,075 for 29 weeks in Oxford - college room - incl bills ie term time plus an extra week
  • DN pays £9,800 for 40 weeks in London plus bills

Oxford isn't cheap on a 12 months basis but you don't have to pay in the holidays while private rentals in London are all year and halls usually at least 40 weeks.

I think Oxford Brookes where students are out in private rents may well find costs similar to London. Oxford Colleges have built lots of accommodation and most house students all three / four years and in effect subsidies it by letting it for conferences / B&B in the holidays.

Yes I was referring to private rentals in Oxford, not Oxford college halls.

Talkinpeace · 20/10/2024 17:46

FianoMis · 20/10/2024 17:33

I'm not sure if it is still possible post Brexit but a local grammar school strongly recommended The Netherlands Maastricht, Leiden etc.) as a cost effective option. Taught in English, very quick flight from the UK.

Sadly not.
which is deeply galling as a particular masters course was £18,000 in the UK
or 900 Euros at Potsdam
taught in English, same course leader

NamechangeRugby · 20/10/2024 17:47

Needmoresleep · 20/10/2024 12:10

"Victim mentality"? Is this your normal approach to polite considered debate?

If you read the posts above, Imperial are particular good at offering bursaries. For the students who will, genuinely benefit from their education but who cannot afford it, they will do their best via bursaries to make it affordable.

Working hard is not the be-all and end-all of a University education. DD has a degree from Imperial and from Bristol and found a huge difference in terms of the way they were stretched, the calibre of those teaching (at Imperial she was taught by world leaders in her field) and the engagement of her fellow students.

Students who choose to study in London despite the expense are often very motivated. You only have to read this board for a short time to see posters who argue that Bristol is preferable because of the social life. Imperial will be chosen by those who see (to repeat my analogy) Imperial's Robotic society as more fun than a Bristol nightclub.

Call that kudos if you will. For some the motivation will be a more challenging, interesting academic environment.

Can I just check - is this a common perception of Bristol Uni 😨?

We researched Uni's based on course reputation and Bristol & Bath came out top - discussion boards even recommending them over perhaps more prestigious, but more academic courses.

DS has been lucky with Halls and this year is paying less than if he gone to Uni nearer home (an inexpensive area), but we are anticipating private rental to be more for 2nd & 3rd year. He knows he will have to work alongside and worked alongside his A Levels, but will aim for experience in his chosen field, which we thought no bad thing. He is most certainly not squandering his money on nightclubs (I very much hope 😵‍💫😂, although I wouldn't begrudge him trying the odd one out). My impression is that his cohort scored very well at A Level and they all have to work pretty hard. That they are all pretty driven and serious about their degrees. He is truly loving it so far, but under no illusions how hard it is.

I'd be heartbroken if he ends up paying more, working his arse off, but to be written off as going to a Uni just for the night life 😐.

Surely one of the reasons why your DD got to go onto Imperial in part was because she had done well at Bristol Uni (granted, probably putting in lots of independent study hours), which is no mean feat?

Congratulations on you DD going to Imperial. That is amazing. Expensive, but she will undoubtedly reap the rewards.

SageBlossomBunny · 20/10/2024 17:50

EwwSprouts · 20/10/2024 16:24

@SageBlossomBunny Here are some grants that are not linked to only one university (bar a couple).
www.savethestudent.org/student-finance/weird-university-bursaries-grants-scholarships.html

Wow she is vegetarian so will apply for that one!!

Thedogismybaby · 20/10/2024 19:46

I hope this isn't too left field a question, but does anyone know which unis guarantee 3 yrs in halls for a) overseas students b) students with disabilities at all?

I have looked on the accommodation pages of York, where my kid has an offer but it is not entirely clear. It indicates they guarantee a room for overseas students but not whether that's for the duration of study. I am happy to call them during the week, but thought I'd ask here first.

Talkinpeace · 20/10/2024 21:23

@Thedogismybaby
The ground floor rooms in New Vanbrugh and parts of Alcuin are fully wheelchair accessible
not sure about three year access but the Uni's legal obligations would make it likely that they would allocate rooms.
Also not sure about Hes East campus - but its newer so more likely to be level access and wide doors

6pence · 20/10/2024 21:56

SilverGlitterBaubles · 20/10/2024 10:16

I think a shift in mindset is needed about the whole going away to university for 'the experience' because it's the done thing. This does not happen on other countries where it is more the norm to attend local universities if possible. I understand that not everyone lives near a university or one that has their chosen degree, also there are other reasons to move out of home. Where the options are available, it should be seriously considered. There are other ways to gain life experience and independence without getting into debt.

One of mine went away and the other chose to stay at home. There is a big difference in how they are now, despite the one at home going travelling and being more mature generally, growing up previously.
Living independently was the making of my less mature one. I also wouldn’t be the person I am today had I not moved away from my provincial home town.

Thedogismybaby · 21/10/2024 04:15

Talkinpeace · 20/10/2024 21:23

@Thedogismybaby
The ground floor rooms in New Vanbrugh and parts of Alcuin are fully wheelchair accessible
not sure about three year access but the Uni's legal obligations would make it likely that they would allocate rooms.
Also not sure about Hes East campus - but its newer so more likely to be level access and wide doors

Thank you for this info. I'm mainly asking about the guaranteed rooms over the duration of the course, not really if they are wheelchair accessible, though it is good to know there are so may of those (none when I was a student at York). There are lots of disabilities that don't require these rooms, but might require single rooms, of which there seem to be plenty.

Investinmyself · 21/10/2024 12:37

I’d contact the uni. Certainly when we checked with disability services at various universities ability to access accommodation all years seemed common for disabled students but we didn’t look at York.

Cdjs · 21/10/2024 12:42

Staying at home would be sensible if all universities were made the same and gave exactly the same educational outcome, but they don't.

For example courses for each subject vary per university. And frankly some universities are better than others. Like should someone who lives in Wales be restricted to the Welsh unis and/or Bath,Bristol? What if they wanted to go to Oxbridge or if they missed out on Oxbridge, one of the many excellent universities in London.

DS was fortunate that he could stay at home and go to one of the best universities in the world for his subject

Talkinpeace · 21/10/2024 18:05

@Thedogismybaby I grew up with wheelchairs so am always watching spaces.
Key points are - level access, sensible doors, sensible socket placements, sensible lighting and ventilation.
That applies to those with ANY sort of mobility issue.
Its also kinda been a legal requirement for decades !

Whereissummer24 · 28/10/2024 15:52

Just starting to look at Unis - our 2nd is looking at a really specific course and its either Loughborough or Bristol UWE for the course and their sport. We will have a cross over with 2 of them at Uni for at least a year and the amount we will spend on accommodation makes me feel sick!! Aprox 400 - 500 a week its ridiculous

Twoshoesnewshoes · 29/10/2024 09:11

@Whereissummer24 accomodation for Bristol UWE post halls is in a slightly different area than for UOB, - my son is at UWE and has found it fairly easy to find accommodation for year two and three, and pays (or rather, I pay) £600 a month for a large room in a fairly nice four bed house.

DanielaDressen · 29/10/2024 12:30

Well this thread has spurred me on to talk to Dd about applying for some other places rather than sitting back with her Oxford Brooks offer in hand. She admitted that Oxford brooks has a poor reputation for her subject and I said I’m not wanting to pay a fortune in accommodation for a mediocre course. Would be different if the course was amazing.

She’s looking at a few other places now but it’s difficult when the places which are higher up the league tables such as Sheffield and Nottingham she discounts as she says the cities are shitholes. Trying to get it through to her that it’s two years of her life, she’s not making a firm commitment to live in that city forever. Plus the campus at Nottingham is lovely! 😁

Changes17 · 29/10/2024 12:45

Has she been to Sheffield or Nottingham, @DanielaDressen? Probably worth seeing for herself if not...