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Accommodation cost impacting university choice - very troubling for institutions like mine

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Tulipgardens · 20/10/2024 04:54

Name changing for this and wondering whether any one has stats. My sixth form students used to put down unis like Bristol, Bath and Exeter but, over recent years, no longer. Newcastle, Sheffield and Leeds now top choices. London unis nowadays a complete no-no. It has been a marked shift...

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dizzydizzydizzy · 20/10/2024 10:28

NancyJoan · 20/10/2024 10:25

College halls in Oxford are significantly cheaper than many other cities, as they only pay rent during term time, and students often live in their college in their 2nd/3rd year as well as 1st. It’s really not an expensive place to live as a student (though very expensive to live there once you graduate)

DC1’s friend is at Oxford Brooke and living in private rental accommodation. Friend is paying similar amount to what DC2 is paying in central London.

LaPalmaLlama · 20/10/2024 10:32

dizzydizzydizzy · 20/10/2024 10:28

DC1’s friend is at Oxford Brooke and living in private rental accommodation. Friend is paying similar amount to what DC2 is paying in central London.

Yes- because at OB you’re not insulated from the Oxford private rental market the way you are at the university where it’s often possible to live in college owned accommodation ( either in college or a house owned by the college) for all 3 years.

Unescorted · 20/10/2024 10:49

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I'm glad you have had a different experience to my DD and his friends have had this year.

Unescorted · 20/10/2024 10:49

DS not DD

Needmoresleep · 20/10/2024 10:53

RampantIvy · 20/10/2024 10:10

I meant to add another point that parents on low incomes in rented accommodation might find it difficult to act as guarantor for their student DC once they are in subsequent years' accommodation after their first year in halls..

What happens then?

This may be an increasingly real issue.

Under the previous Government thought was being given to specific "student" tenancies which would not provide the same protections as those promised to standard tenants within the new Tenancy Reform Act. Under the new Act, S21 no fault evictions will be done away with, as will fixed term tenancies. Effectively as long as tenants behave reasonably they can leave when they want (with a short notice period) and stay as long as they want. In addition the promised reform of the court system will not take place before the Act comes into force which will make it very difficult to evict bad tenants. Landlords are likely to become very risk adverse.

Student tenancies operate on an annual basis. The landlord needs to know that previous tenants will leave before he can sign a contract with tenants for the next year. Some landlords were willing to accept tenants without guarantors because either the University offered something, or because it was only a year's tenancy so the risk was limited, or via rent payment in advance. Shared properties are normally on a joint and several liability basis.

Most tenancies will be fine, but the risk to landlords will have increased. If one of the group want to move out after two months and don't find a replacement they might trigger the end of the tenancy for all, and the landlord is left mid-year with an empty property. Overseas students without a guarantor would quite often pay rent in advance, something which is due to be banned. If something happens and the students decide not to move out at the end of the year, the landlord won't be able to do anything, so will either be letting down another group, or may decide to only let the property last minute when he knows it will be empty.

Quite how it will all pan out is uncertain. The proposed Act could change as it makes it way through the Commons and the Lords. Allowing specific student tenancies would have been a way of making this group more attractive tenants, especially for people who might only want to rent a property for a year or two, and thus would have increased supply. Instead young professionals, who have a regular income, are slightly older, have references and are often out all day, become a more attractive group. The supply of private rental property is likely to continue to shrink. Great for first time buyers, but what is bad now could soon become worse for students.

I think students looking for 2025 might well see signs of increasing landlord concern. Having a good guarantor could become more important.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 20/10/2024 10:56

DD is at a red brick uni; half her course are
commuting in from home because a train pass is cheaper than halls/renting. DD is year 1; her halls were £7k. This year it’s £650 a month, so a little more. We have to heavily subsidise as she gets minimum loan which doesn’t even cover her rent. And there are so many students there are no jobs to be had. She works all holidays but it’s still very hard.

Lightsabre · 20/10/2024 10:59

Imperial College offers £5K grants per year to those with parental income of under £60k. They have really nice student accommodation options (admittedly a tube ride away) for £6.8K for 38 weeks en suite. Much cheaper options for a twin room. The London maintenance loan almost covers the rent so it's just living costs on top or live off their non-repayable grant.

Equivalent en suite rooms that we saw at Bath, Bristol, Edinburgh etc were more expensive (around £9-10K, more in some places).

yeaitsmeagain · 20/10/2024 11:03

I live in the midlands and some of our student accom here is now £1000/month for a one room bedsit. For context, you can rent a bigger room in the most exclusive architect-built, several hundred year old, Victorian lamp-lit historical private gated estate here for a quarter of that.

How people are affording it, I don't know, because they aren't all foreign students.

greenrollneck · 20/10/2024 11:05

We are looking at buying a house with 2 other parents in Bristol, it's an unusual approach but will work out cheaper and more tax efficient. The incomes from the other students will almost cover the interest only mortgage.

And after the three years we will review and sell up or rent for a few more years. If more people clubbed together this would be a great way forward. It's being run via a limited company and has taken a while to iron out but fingers crossed will work!

RunAwayTurnAwayRunAwayTurnAway · 20/10/2024 11:07

autumn1610 · 20/10/2024 07:19

What’s your issue with them applying to Leeds, Newcastle and Sheffield? All really great cities for students and all pretty good universities?

just sounds like some weird class thing that you don’t want them going up north

This. 👆

Who gives a fuck if London, Bristol and Brighton lose their status? 😂

Needmoresleep · 20/10/2024 11:14

RunAwayTurnAwayRunAwayTurnAway · 20/10/2024 11:07

This. 👆

Who gives a fuck if London, Bristol and Brighton lose their status? 😂

Odd comment.

One at least one major international league table Imperial was listed as the top University in Britain and one of the very top in the world. It is somewhere a very bright scientist should reasonably aspire to.

Contigo · 20/10/2024 11:17

greenrollneck · 20/10/2024 11:05

We are looking at buying a house with 2 other parents in Bristol, it's an unusual approach but will work out cheaper and more tax efficient. The incomes from the other students will almost cover the interest only mortgage.

And after the three years we will review and sell up or rent for a few more years. If more people clubbed together this would be a great way forward. It's being run via a limited company and has taken a while to iron out but fingers crossed will work!

You must realise that a tiny fraction of the population would be in a position to allow them to do this.

@MrsElijahMikaelson1 , DC1 is at a high ranking uni, commuting from home, their coursemates are struggling to pay accommodation costs. DC1 buys three day returns a week and/or clubs together with another commuter to stay in a hotel now and then for nights out or gets a cab.

fortyfifty · 20/10/2024 11:24

Very academic DD ruled out London universities and Bristol even 4 years ago when first looking. She went to Bath but has always been in the cheapest accommodation. We figured a paid placement year would help soften the blow of paying a higher rent in final year. Sadly she lived in a very expensive city for her placement year so savings weren't as plentiful as she'd hoped and she's clinging onto the savings incase she needs them for a masters (which are also rising rapidly in price). Also, Bath has short Christmas and Easter holidays and a longer summer holiday so it's possible to work for 4 months solid during the summer break if you can get work in your hometown, so students can save a good chunk during summer (I don't want to put people off applying for Bath 😊)

DD2, slightly less academic, may or may not go to University. She's on a gap year while she decides but has a deferred place at a University where rent is still below £500 per month for private housing in years 2 and 3. And if she doesn't take that place and re-applies somewhere else, accommodation costs will be the number one deciding factor. We still have a mortgage and are in work sectors where pay shrunk since 2010. We just can't afford to keep paying for two households and make sure we are covering ourselves if we want to retire before 70!

But will it make much difference to the sector? There will be plenty who apply to those universities who don't understand the rental costs or aren't impacted by them.

greenrollneck · 20/10/2024 11:25

@Contigo yep I do understand a small percentage can do this, but given we are talking about solutions and issues with the price of rentals and with a group of people who's kids are able to even consider uni then it's a relevant consideration.

Besides it's working out less than halls and student accommodation when you do the maths.

SageBlossomBunny · 20/10/2024 11:27

I really don't know what we will do. My duaghter would love London or medicine and I genuinely don't think w could do either.

Theres no way we could support her a grand a month.

We don't have a local uni other than an ex poly that doesn't do the courses she'd like to do. Nearest uni would be 1.5-2hours commute...

Penguinsa · 20/10/2024 11:34

dizzydizzydizzy · 20/10/2024 10:28

DC1’s friend is at Oxford Brooke and living in private rental accommodation. Friend is paying similar amount to what DC2 is paying in central London.

Accommodation at Oxford University is relatively cheap, DDs is £4,800 for the year for an ensuite room in college which is very large and guaranteed rooms for 3 years. There's also help for those with household incomes below £50k. It's term time only but that's all they need.

Saveitnotforme · 20/10/2024 11:34

SageBlossomBunny · 20/10/2024 11:27

I really don't know what we will do. My duaghter would love London or medicine and I genuinely don't think w could do either.

Theres no way we could support her a grand a month.

We don't have a local uni other than an ex poly that doesn't do the courses she'd like to do. Nearest uni would be 1.5-2hours commute...

The alternative is for her to work part time to fund herself - plenty of students do this in London and wages are good. Plus if she has a gap year and saves money from that too, and summer/holiday work.

Saveitnotforme · 20/10/2024 11:35

Penguinsa · 20/10/2024 11:34

Accommodation at Oxford University is relatively cheap, DDs is £4,800 for the year for an ensuite room in college which is very large and guaranteed rooms for 3 years. There's also help for those with household incomes below £50k. It's term time only but that's all they need.

Oxbridge is in a world of its own accommodation fees wise. Much much cheaper than anywhere else.

SageBlossomBunny · 20/10/2024 11:37

Saveitnotforme · 20/10/2024 11:34

The alternative is for her to work part time to fund herself - plenty of students do this in London and wages are good. Plus if she has a gap year and saves money from that too, and summer/holiday work.

Unfortunately being autistic she just about manages with school at the moment and would be unlikely to manage work and uni. I think a holiday job would be possible. She's in yr 11 so just beginning to think about it all.

SageBlossomBunny · 20/10/2024 11:38

I'd love a degree apprenticeship to be possible for her tbh.

But it does seem to be the rich get the privilisge of deciding where to go based on coursea/nice towns etc.

Its astronomical and all her friends will be off to uni. It feels horrible to say it might not be so easy for her.

RampantIvy · 20/10/2024 11:40

Penguinsa · 20/10/2024 11:34

Accommodation at Oxford University is relatively cheap, DDs is £4,800 for the year for an ensuite room in college which is very large and guaranteed rooms for 3 years. There's also help for those with household incomes below £50k. It's term time only but that's all they need.

The poster was talking about Oxford Brookes, not Oxford University.

Penguinsa · 20/10/2024 11:44

I know but she originally said Oxford and I was backing up Nancy's post which is accurate.

Mookytoo · 20/10/2024 11:49

Our Student Housing Surprise - both get same amount Student Finance Loan. Same shared bathroom accomodation.

One child at a Uni with housing costs rent during term only - must move out end of each term. DC1 pays rent for 26 ish weeks. Has Loan money left over.

DC2 at a “Northern” uni. Pays rent for 40 weeks. Very little Loan money left after rent paid.

Big surprise as DC1 has plenty of money
DC2, we need to support

Contigo · 20/10/2024 11:50

@SageBlossomBunny , my DC is ND, that was a big part of them choosing to commute tbh. They wanted to come back to their home/support for the first year at least. There are so many of them commuting to avoid the costs of accommodation that they've carried on. I guess we are fortunate enough to live within commuting distance of two really decent unis in different citites.

Going in is a three day a week commitment and they have kept the one day a weekend job they had during sixth form so it seems to be working.

Penguinsa · 20/10/2024 11:51

Sage If you don't claim already might be worth seeing if she is eligible for pip if 16. My DS is autistic and he gets pip, took 6 months to get and helps a bit.